The Myth Of Mike Tyson

[The Surgeon]

Tyson had average stamina and a great chin but lacked heart and being in a tough fight. He was a good fighter in his prime but i would never imagine Tyson matching well against the tough all time great champions like Frazier, Foreman, Ali, Liston and even Bonevena believe it or not. I would give Oscar Bonevena a chance at out lasting Tyson. Only fighting hard for 3 rounds against these guys would be a disaster.Tyson always came out at a rapid pace but his punch out started to decrease around the 3rd round. He was seriously a front runner and overrated by the majority of this forum. Like i said, good fighter in his prime but lets not get over our head.

Also, Tyson never went 15 rounds in his entire career.

Looks like we will have to agree to disagree bud.
But like i said i KNOW he never went 15rounds, i just said that it was said back then that he'd be 1 of the few fighters in modern boxing who'd PREFER to go 15.

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What more can be said about Tyson that hasn't already been said before?

I do believe that Tyson gets rated differently from other fighters IMO.

Tyson appears to be the only fighter that gets his all-time rating from a short 'sweet-spot' in his career (in the late 1980's) & any of his failings or losses are swepped under the carpet & dismissed.

If you applied the same logic to Donald Curry for example, you could feasibly say that he's the greatest welterweight of all-time, but nobody ever does that for some reason.

The fact is, you need to look at a 'whole' career when rating a fighter overall & this is the area where Tyson falls down massively.

His greatest win is against a pumped up light heavyweight with dodgy knees; he never fought back from a losing position; he folded like a newspaper when put under pressure & he fouled & complained whenever he sensed he was getting beaten, rather than take his beating like a man.

As explosive & exciting as Tyson was from 1985 - 1989, I simply cannot put in my H-O-F, as I like my HOFers to have shown heart; fought back from losing positions or least had massive periods of dominance in their careers.

As good as Tyson was, he does not fit into that category for me.

[JayCoe]

Tyson was fast and described as one of the most powerful hitter by many heavyweight boxers. He was described as being able to move like a middle weight, dodge like a middle weight, hit with speed like a middle weight, take a hit like a heavyweight and hit like a heavy weight...This is by the professionals, not fans. After his prision sentence he became more of a 'slugger', but before hand he was truly the best boxer in history. Even afterwards there were aspects of his legendary Cus' Mateo teachings but, they did fade.

A boxer cannot be evaluated solely on who they've fought because things vary. Boxers aren't machines. People to fight vary. Douglas beat Tyson, Tyson fought pretty bad and Douglas fought a freak amazing fight, does that mean Douglas was better than Tyson? I doubt many would say so. Truth is, Tyson was the best, he just never utilised it. Comparing him and Holyfield is unfair...In the first bout Holyfield used a tactic of attack and then clinch. Clinching is technically illegal in boxing, therefore, Holyfield technically cheated, though this form of cheating is too common to be punished. It also isn't boxing. When I watched the first bout, it got quite boring and frustrating to watch, it was hit, clinch, hit, clinch and so on. Holyfield wasn't really fighting him. 2nd bout, I believe Holyfield butted Tyson.

Is Tyson the best of all time? I reckon he is up there, sometimes I think yes, sometimes I think not. But I don't believe anybody can say he wasn't one of the best, whether they like him or hate him, he was one of the best, undisputed. So, you cannot call his career a myth.

[StarshipTrooper]

Tyson was fast and described as one of the most powerful hitter by many heavyweight boxers. He was described as being able to move like a middle weight, dodge like a middle weight, hit with speed like a middle weight, take a hit like a heavyweight and hit like a heavy weight...This is by the professionals, not fans. After his prision sentence he became more of a 'slugger', but before hand he was truly the best boxer in history. Even afterwards there were aspects of his legendary Cus' Mateo teachings but, they did fade.

A boxer cannot be evaluated solely on who they've fought because things vary. Boxers aren't machines. People to fight vary. Douglas beat Tyson, Tyson fought pretty bad and Douglas fought a freak amazing fight, does that mean Douglas was better than Tyson? I doubt many would say so. Truth is, Tyson was the best, he just never utilised it. Comparing him and Holyfield is unfair...In the first bout Holyfield used a tactic of attack and then clinch. Clinching is technically illegal in boxing, therefore, Holyfield technically cheated, though this form of cheating is too common to be punished. It also isn't boxing. When I watched the first bout, it got quite boring and frustrating to watch, it was hit, clinch, hit, clinch and so on. Holyfield wasn't really fighting him. 2nd bout, I believe Holyfield butted Tyson.

Is Tyson the best of all time? I reckon he is up there, sometimes I think yes, sometimes I think not. But I don't believe anybody can say he wasn't one of the best, whether they like him or hate him, he was one of the best, undisputed. So, you cannot call his career a myth.

Put down the glue you're sniffing and back away with your hands on top of your head Really, you're going to hurt yourself TRYING to think but it's clear you lack sufficient brain cells to pull it off. In the future please leave the thinking to the proffesionals

Poet

[JayCoe]

Stay quiet, go slit your wrists and die slow you cheeky mother****er.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Looks like we will have to agree to disagree bud.
But like i said i KNOW he never went 15rounds, i just said that it was said back then that he'd be 1 of the few fighters in modern boxing who'd PREFER to go 15.

Why would Tyson want to go 15 rounds when he cannot keep that same blistering pace up? As stated above, Tyson has never came back from a losing position to win the fight nor did he ever get up from a knock down to win.

Got to take my hat off to you!


Poet

[Ropss]

Its easy to beat washed tyson who dont care about boxing

[QueensburyRules]

Tyson wasn't the best ever, but he was pretty damn good!

- - And fly a die hard Ali fan, so there's that.

[markusmod]

- - And fly a die hard Ali fan, so there's that.

How did all of these Tyson topics start popping up as a of late?

[QueensburyRules]

How did all of these Tyson topics start popping up as a of late?

- - Back in the day, Iron Mike totally dominated BS topics both in Current and History Forums.

Sorta like stepping into a stock pen. Since his Roy exhibition and training workouts, he's sorta back to where he used to be before fading out.