The Myth Of Mike Tyson

[Hawkins]

The true downfall of Mike started with the death of Jimmy Jacobs IMO. Jimmy was like the big brother to Mike, whereas Cayton was the hardcore business man. I do think Cayton was an honest man, but I think without Jacobs there to counter all the crap being thrown at Tyson it was just a matter of time.

Cayton tried to counter it best he could but Don King & The Givens women were too much in the end. I mean they drove a wedge between him and Rooney by convincing him everyone was out for his money when it was them all long.

I imagine Mike was being torn apart by being pulled in so many different directions at once. Plus for the first time he was truly on his own and had to make these big decisions by himself. I'd imagine it was very hard to make the right one with King in one ear and Robin Givens and her mom in the other.

[newforce]

I don't know why people are actually bothering to reply to this clown sabbath.

[newforce]

and for the record douglas lost against -at the time-an emotionally weak tyson

[Hawkins]

and for the record douglas lost against -at the time-an emotionally weak tyson

Well, if thats the case then I'm sure the playing field was somewhat level since Buster had lost his mother recently.

[Jim Jeffries]

and for the record douglas lost against -at the time-an emotionally weak tyson

"Emotionally weak", that's too funny. And when he got knocked out by Holyfield, Tyson was an old man right, yeah 30 years old - almost ready for social security, but wait Holyfield was 34 at the time. Tyson was good at squashing tomatoe cans with losing records, kind of like Tyrone Brunson, 22 year old junior middle weight, 18-0, 18 knockouts - all in the first round. Impressive - till you look at their records.

[metalinmybrain]

Just listing the names of Ali's opponents doesn't make Ali's opponents great. The fighters were in better condition in the 80's and 90's, their training regiments were different, diets were different, etc. Even the rules of the ring were slightly different. While I'm not saying that Tyson faced better competition than Ali, perhaps the truth is that Ali was vastly over-hyped and he faced average journeymen who gave him a good run. This is very similar to your Louis thread and, while we know you hate Tyson, this thread will probably see little responses other than my own.

Furthermore, watch Ali's matches against some of the opponents he had trouble with (Cooper, Jones, Folley, even that German guy whose name I can't remember, Frazier, etc.), and honestly say that Tyson couldn't do what those guys did...only better. Dumbass.

Nicely put, if I could shake your hand I would. It's always a great feeling to read the words of an honest and insightful person such as yourself. Tyson's career wasn't overated. It was the leeches around him that were!

I think everyone should look at Rocky Marciano and his over rated career.

[metalinmybrain]

Well, if thats the case then I'm sure the playing field was somewhat level since Buster had lost his mother recently.

Also his mother did tell him to knock Tyson out before she passed away. Douglas said Tyson hit him so hard with that uppercut he didn't want to get up, but heard his mothers voice inside telling him to get up and knock him out.

P.s. Has anyone noticed the ****ty job Tyson's corner man did for him in that fight with Douglas? Bull ****!

[metalinmybrain]

"Emotionally weak", that's too funny. And when he got knocked out by Holyfield, Tyson was an old man right, yeah 30 years old - almost ready for social security, but wait Holyfield was 34 at the time. Tyson was good at squashing tomatoe cans with losing records, kind of like Tyrone Brunson, 22 year old junior middle weight, 18-0, 18 knockouts - all in the first round. Impressive - till you look at their records.

Look at Rocky Marciano's record if you want to see bums kid. In fact every great fighter is going to have a record of opponents with losing records. If you look at the opponents Tyson faced and their records at the time of them facing Tyson his opposition was better than your lame ass is claiming.

Its just your opinion kid but lets not try and pretend that its anything close to reality or truth.

[metalinmybrain]

The true downfall of Mike started with the death of Jimmy Jacobs IMO. Jimmy was like the big brother to Mike, whereas Cayton was the hardcore business man. I do think Cayton was an honest man, but I think without Jacobs there to counter all the crap being thrown at Tyson it was just a matter of time.

Cayton tried to counter it best he could but Don King & The Givens women were too much in the end. I mean they drove a wedge between him and Rooney by convincing him everyone was out for his money when it was them all long.

I imagine Mike was being torn apart by being pulled in so many different directions at once. Plus for the first time he was truly on his own and had to make these big decisions by himself. I'd imagine it was very hard to make the right one with King in one ear and Robin Givens and her mom in the other.

One post from you that I cannot argue. You did forget to mention how young he was and going through these delimas in life. I'm pretty sure being so young with all these pressures mostly anyone would fold in the end.

[Hawkins]

Also his mother did tell him to knock Tyson out before she passed away. Douglas said Tyson hit him so hard with that uppercut he didn't want to get up, but heard his mothers voice inside telling him to get up and knock him out.

P.s. Has anyone noticed the ****ty job Tyson's corner man did for him in that fight with Douglas? Bull ****!

The clowns in the corner were Rory Holloway, John Horne and I forget the idiot that was acting as the head trainer. When the guys in your corner dont bring an endswell or ice then you know the ineptness of the people you're involved with. Tho' to be fair I'm sure moron 1 (read as Holloway) and moron 2 (read as Horne) had something to do with the overall idiocy of that.

When you see three guys fill a rubber glove with ice water and try to reduce the swelling you know something is out of whack.