Vitali Klitschko vs. Mike Tyson prime for prime.

[Burt Saxby]

An extra 2 inches as opposed to a 6'5 tucker would be very significant against a 5'10 guy who needs to put combos together...so yea. it would make a huge difference ,add chin and 250 pounds and ring IQ ,only a fool would write off Vitali. Anyone with an ounce of common sense KNOWS guys stepped up or tried to step up their game when facing Tyson out of fear and out of knowing what they had to bring to beat him,If you think Vitali isn't going to bring his A game you are again a fool no matter what fight you reference with him..

Tucker did not have a controlling jab like vitali, not the power of Vitali and didn't use his left as a hooking weapon to steer his opponents where he wants them. He was a basic boxer ,nothing special one couldn't figure out but was a top guy BECAUSE he had a 6'5 frame to work with except Vitali getting pushed back and handled in a clinch is going to MUCh more difficult.

The fact you think Byrd who was Vitalis first real top guy anyway is going to show what happens against Tyson also shows you know little of what you talk about. So how much did you lose in all betting against the klitchkos? lol


You even brought in Valeuv as example which shows you are two things naïve and a jerk...

Who said Vitali's jab was anything special ? Its not difficult to control walking kegs Arroela and Peters. Wilder done it with one arm and Helenius did it to the other barrel easier than Vits.
Kevin Johnson was out jabbing Vitali so i wouldn't say his jab was anything out of the ordinary.
The jab wan't the punch to beat Tyson anyway. Tyson hammered guys with far better jabs - Thomas , Williams , Holmes.
You needed an uppercut against Tyson of which Vitali had none.

Who did this guy ever beat anyway ? Nobody. There isn't any evidence to suggest he wins this fight. Plus his style is scissors to Tyson's rock.
Mike beats Vitali. Thats all there is to it. Case closed. He also trounces his lil bro something awful.

[juggernaut666]

Who said Vitali's jab was anything special ? Its not difficult to control walking kegs Arroela and Peters. Wilder done it with one arm and Helenius did it to the other barrel easier than Vits.
Kevin Johnson was out jabbing Vitali so i wouldn't say his jab was anything out of the ordinary.
The jab wan't the punch to beat Tyson anyway. Tyson hammered guys with far better jabs - Thomas , Williams , Holmes.
You needed an uppercut against Tyson of which Vitali had none.

Who did this guy ever beat anyway ? Nobody. There isn't any evidence to suggest he wins this fight. Plus his style is scissors to Tyson's rock.
Mike beats Vitali. Thats all there is to it. Case closed. He also trounces his lil bro something awful.

You are making your own reality up, just watch Vitalis jab other than that I know what I said is true ,honestly you don't actually watch fights and sound like the Ray corso school of know nothing...lol...i'll just not be bated into ******ity like you.lol

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Vitali is slow as hell and speed kills. Tyson fought plenty of big guys so to say that Vitali's size would be in any way a problem for him is absurd. Tyson is the faster starter, better puncher, faster, and has a better inside game as well as body attack.

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Tyson wins easily

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Vitali would have a 9 inch height advantage, and an 8 inch reach advantage.

Vitali was ahead on the scorecards against Lewis.

Who did Tyson fight that was like Vitali?

Tyson was better at fighting small than Vitali was at fighting big.

Lewis was coming back at the stoppage which was halfway through the fight.

Everyone Tyson fought was taller than him except for Norris who was possibly the same height. Height and a good jab would be nothing new to Tyson.

[billeau2]

Vitalie has to contend with never fighting a guy the calibre of prime Tyson...Lewis was not in good shape for their fight so Vitalie got to fight a basically immobile Lewis. Vitalie did get rocked by Sanders, not horribly but its worth noting.

I think Vitalie is better than his brother when all factors are considered, he has a good technical base and can make some adjustments in the ring....limited but some! For example, He should have been able to end Lewis if he thought Lewis was ready to go down, instead he backed off a bit and it became an exchange. Against Byrd, he could have protected the shoulder when it was injured...Yet he did make some adjustments to beat Sanders.

Tyson is not limited by his reach because he fights like a guy with limited reach. Tyson. like Dempsey studies how to come in, set up an attack, and change the attack if necessary. In this way Tyson is more technical than Marciano for example, you can see Tyson on film. pivot and reset his attacks when he is in on the opponent.

Early Tyson was hard to hit. and hitting him with the jab would not stop his forward momentum because of his head & shoulder movements being separate from his body movement...again, something Dempsey seems to have perfected.

Vitalie could outlast Tyson if he could find a way to avoid the early onslaught...Maybe leaning in Mike when Mike comes in, tying him up...but its improbable and he would be very preoccupied with avoiding Mike's attacks.

I think in most case prime Tyson wins this and wins it early.

[billeau2]

You are making your own reality up, just watch Vitalis jab other than that I know what I said id true ,honestly you don't actually watch fights and sound like the Ray corso school of know nothing...lol...i'll just not be bated into ******ity like you.lol

Hey Jugs!

Vitali did/does have an excellent jab. he also uses it to set up combinations well. Its a question of whether he has the mobility to set up against a fighter with the foot speed of Tyson. Sanders is actually a good indicator in some respects. Sanders was on the whole a lot slower than Tyson but had the hand speed and approach that Tyson would use. Tyson moves a lot better coming in than Sanders did as well.

Its worth noting that while Sanders is not on the calibre of Tyson...Vitalie did make some adjustments after the first round or so of that fight. He then never let Sanders off the hook.

Generally speaking Vitalie often becomes the other brother when compared to Wlad. I like him a whole lot better than Wlad when looking at the entire pckage frankly.

[juggernaut666]

Hey Jugs!

Vitali did/does have an excellent jab. he also uses it to set up combinations well. Its a question of whether he has the mobility to set up against a fighter with the foot speed of Tyson. Sanders is actually a good indicator in some respects. Sanders was on the whole a lot slower than Tyson but had the hand speed and approach that Tyson would use. Tyson moves a lot better coming in than Sanders did as well.

Its worth noting that while Sanders is not on the calibre of Tyson...Vitalie did make some adjustments after the first round or so of that fight. He then never let Sanders off the hook.

Generally speaking Vitalie often becomes the other brother when compared to Wlad. I like him a whole lot better than Wlad when looking at the entire pckage frankly.

With this match ,to me its more the length Tyson has to make up even if hes faster ,not just size but style too. Vitali doesnt have to be the better fighter (hes not) but the more effective one , Tyson will not have the Sanders reach or southpaw style, and Vitali has very underatted positioning skills as you said he can make adjustments he has ring IQ over Tysons . Against Tyson ,i cant see him losing early based on the Tucker/Ruddock fights where he had to **** out and work hard to get inside ,because now he is facing a taller more awkward guy witha chin .Isee this going 12 either way where Vitali out points and nuetralizes him or Tyson wins early rounds and does enough to get the majority decision ,knowing these guys i would be surprised to see a k.o because both have never been k.od with one punch or hurt badly ,Tucker buckled Tyson and Lewis Vitali both with upper cuts both are proven durable and Vitali in all likely hood doesnt one shot Tysons chin and Tyson doesnt get enough clean combos on Vitali .

To me this is a harder fight for Tyson bc he will have little margin for error bc if he should lose any more than 2 rnds before the 7th it then makes it easier for the big 250 pounder to have a chance at winning the rest , or majority rnds and once Tyson has difficulties getting into rythm which he needs bc Vitali is not going to just let him clinch and overpower him like Ruddock ,Tillis or Tucker ,Tyson is going to have to win with combos of the majority of the fight bc Vitali is to strong and heavier this will not let Tyson coast as the few times he did while in no danger but Vitali has k.o power enough to hurt Tyson if he connects enough this will slow Tyson down ,if need be Vitali will move ALOT with having such a reach advantage , and got accustomed to using counter shovel punches more effectively after the Lewis fight .

I say its really a 50 /50 fight ,but i SLIGHTLY rank Vitali h2h over Tyson based on performances against big HW's ,where now i have a 6'7 giant who can actually implement skills because of his physical attributes . Tysons resume is far better and history but many neglect that the resumes are not fighting ,you have to match the fighters ,of course at there best which in Vitalis case is even shorter than Tysons peak bc that would be after Lewis and before he left boxing for 4 years ,so its very difficult getting a grasp of the match but not impossible .

[Ray Corso]

Vitali gasses out and gets brutally stopped. The guy fought an out of shape and well past his prime and got cut up and gassed out, looked like a drunk trying to box.
Tyson is on another level, the Klitz bros a far beneath the top tier boxing heavies. They train like "sportsmen" instead of boxers. It shows because they gas under pressure and once that happened they fought over hyped bums that never tried to be champs. Where are all the opponents that the Klitz bros fought? They built up 25-0 records against trial horses and cab driver and a few amateurs with credentials but those guys never were seen again.


You'll see in 10 years when the talk turns to heavyweights greats they will not be in the discussion. Just watch them fight, their C+
talents that took advantage of the worse era ever!

Enough of the Klitz bros BS their boring in the ring and even more boring to write about.
Tyson via KO ..............quick!

Ray

[BKM-]

A lot of you are under the illusion that Tyson's form at 100% speed, power and defense was designed for 12 rounds. It wasn't.

It only lasted untill about the mid rounds, usually around round 4-6 and then Tyson would be moving his head less and less, he would throw less combinations and his power would also deminish.

The idea was to get rid of the opponent before that happens and if the fight does go on past that point, Tyson will have a comfortable lead and win on points. That's why out of 44 knockouts in his career only two of them came late in the fight(and people argue that they were bad stoppages but I don't agree with that. Ribalta and Ruddock were done).

The point is that Tyson's style was extremely taxing on the body coupled with the fact that Tyson only fought going forward which makes the impact of the punches he takes more damaging as well.

He is not gonna be bobbing and weaving with 5-punch power combinations in the championship rounds. No, he can't keep that up and he'll be hittable by then, very frustrated, not as dangerous and have a low out-put, probably looking for 1-punch KO's at that point.