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Originally posted by Steve plunger View PostI would say up to welterweight floyds resume is great...beyond that no because there was to much skulduggery involved and choosing of fighters that matched up with his style....Guerrero, Ortiz ,berto, maidana were and are very weak fighters who never accounted to anything in the welterweight division...Mosley was 38 , Oscar was 34 . Pacquaio was 36 and canelo was 22 and come in weight drained and inexperienced ....Floyd before welterweight was great ...Floyd did what he had to do but as welterweight it was not quite as it seems
Oscar at least was fighting at a comfortable weight not drained to the point where he required IVs to rehydrate.
Maidana under Robert Garcia became a beast of a fighter. If he hadn't lost his hunger he'd be wrecking many of the current welters.
You can't complain that Floyd only fights old boxers then complain when he spanks the young stud Canelo. That's the thing with Floyd's critics, they want to have it both ways just because they dislike him so much.
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Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View PostMosley had destroyed the "fearsome" Margarito in his previous fight before Floyd. No one discredits Pacquiao for admittedly ducking Shane then beating the shell of him later on AFTER Floyd.
Oscar at least was fighting at a comfortable weight not drained to the point where he required IVs to rehydrate.
Maidana under Robert Garcia became a beast of a fighter. If he hadn't lost his hunger he'd be wrecking many of the current welters.
You can't complain that Floyd only fights old boxers then complain when he spanks the young stud Canelo. That's the thing with Floyd's critics, they want to have it both ways just because they dislike him so much.
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Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View PostMosley had destroyed the "fearsome" Margarito in his previous fight before Floyd. No one discredits Pacquiao for admittedly ducking Shane then beating the shell of him later on AFTER Floyd.
Oscar at least was fighting at a comfortable weight not drained to the point where he required IVs to rehydrate.
Maidana under Robert Garcia became a beast of a fighter. If he hadn't lost his hunger he'd be wrecking many of the current welters.
You can't complain that Floyd only fights old boxers then complain when he spanks the young stud Canelo. That's the thing with Floyd's critics, they want to have it both ways just because they dislike him so much.
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None outweighs other and greatness is a combination of all. But if you have to be picky something like resume and longevity obviously stand out. Legends have these two per se.
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I think if you combine the top two answers (who you beat & win combined with level of dominance) then you get as close to correct as possible. By combining them you allow fans to better compare across eras and account for the fact that there is no unifying body mandating the best fight the best.
Some fighters just come across a weight class at a time when there isn't relative a lot for them to beat. Do we downgrade them because their opposition was worse? Would Ali be a less capable fighter if he fought Joe Louis's opponents; thats really not fair.
I think longevity is somewhat overrated because when we compare fighters we tend to want to look at their prime as opposed to their ability to compile.
Although much of what I wrote aims to answer who was better than who in a comparison model, I feel that is the best way to define a legacy.
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All great points.
Who you beat and when (quality of oposition)
Never being KTFO
Not making excuses when you lose
Getting off the canvas and still fighting on if possible
Number of divisions isn't much to me. Why?
So many more divisions now and sanctioning bodies.
In the future we may have a 16 division title champion
The WBC super Jr junior lt welterweight belt.
Pure fan boy tomfoolery.
SRR fought and beat guys much heavier, no catch weight crap.
I am out of here.
I may not respond to young axx clowns. Over 45 years old and we can talk.
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