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  • #21
    Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post
    Like it or not I think Floyd has a good resume.

    Genaro Hernandez, Corrales, Jesus Chavez, Castillo, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, JMM, a Shane Mosley who had destroyed Margie Plaster Mitts, Cotto, Canelo, Maidana, and Pacquiao.

    I don't think there were that many big challenges that he missed. He had agreed to all terms for the Pacquiao fight when both were younger...he wasn't the one who walked away because of stricter drug testing.

    As we have since seen in the sport it was a valid concern.
    I would say up to welterweight floyds resume is great...beyond that no because there was to much skulduggery involved and choosing of fighters that matched up with his style....Guerrero, Ortiz ,berto, maidana were and are very weak fighters who never accounted to anything in the welterweight division...Mosley was 38 , Oscar was 34 . Pacquaio was 36 and canelo was 22 and come in weight drained and inexperienced ....Floyd before welterweight was great ...Floyd did what he had to do but as welterweight it was not quite as it seems

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Steve plunger View Post
      I would say up to welterweight floyds resume is great...beyond that no because there was to much skulduggery involved and choosing of fighters that matched up with his style....Guerrero, Ortiz ,berto, maidana were and are very weak fighters who never accounted to anything in the welterweight division...Mosley was 38 , Oscar was 34 . Pacquaio was 36 and canelo was 22 and come in weight drained and inexperienced ....Floyd before welterweight was great ...Floyd did what he had to do but as welterweight it was not quite as it seems
      Mosley had destroyed the "fearsome" Margarito in his previous fight before Floyd. No one discredits Pacquiao for admittedly ducking Shane then beating the shell of him later on AFTER Floyd.

      Oscar at least was fighting at a comfortable weight not drained to the point where he required IVs to rehydrate.

      Maidana under Robert Garcia became a beast of a fighter. If he hadn't lost his hunger he'd be wrecking many of the current welters.

      You can't complain that Floyd only fights old boxers then complain when he spanks the young stud Canelo. That's the thing with Floyd's critics, they want to have it both ways just because they dislike him so much.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post
        Mosley had destroyed the "fearsome" Margarito in his previous fight before Floyd. No one discredits Pacquiao for admittedly ducking Shane then beating the shell of him later on AFTER Floyd.

        Oscar at least was fighting at a comfortable weight not drained to the point where he required IVs to rehydrate.

        Maidana under Robert Garcia became a beast of a fighter. If he hadn't lost his hunger he'd be wrecking many of the current welters.

        You can't complain that Floyd only fights old boxers then complain when he spanks the young stud Canelo. That's the thing with Floyd's critics, they want to have it both ways just because they dislike him so much.
        Stating facts fella...Oscar had lost 5 times by then and had been stopped by Hopkins ...Mosley was shot period ...and the margarito means nothing because it's a completing different match up of styles...as u get older your reflexes and action time slows ....u need that that to beat mayweather... A slugger like margarito will not present much problems in terms of finding the target....Floyd however is different thing altogether ...if your reactions are slower than they use to be then you can't catch him...that's what we're talking about ..come on shoulder wake up.....as for canelo a fighter with quick agile footwork will always always beat him and make his look slow and it's even more added that he was weight drained and inexperienced....Floyds resume of when he boxed welterweights were poor..age and style wise were not legendary status wins...that's a fact

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        • #24
          Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post
          Mosley had destroyed the "fearsome" Margarito in his previous fight before Floyd. No one discredits Pacquiao for admittedly ducking Shane then beating the shell of him later on AFTER Floyd.

          Oscar at least was fighting at a comfortable weight not drained to the point where he required IVs to rehydrate.

          Maidana under Robert Garcia became a beast of a fighter. If he hadn't lost his hunger he'd be wrecking many of the current welters.

          You can't complain that Floyd only fights old boxers then complain when he spanks the young stud Canelo. That's the thing with Floyd's critics, they want to have it both ways just because they dislike him so much.
          Well how do you know that with maidana he just showed two fights with mayweather that he showed he was good...in my opinion I think Floyd was lucky to get that first fight win him and it could easily have been a draw ....Khan had him rolling on the floor in pain ...look the whole argument is who he beat and when he beat them....and he beat fighters that either favoured him stylistically in terms of speed and movement..maidana,Guerrero,Ortiz, and berto and then after they faced him get didn't have another noteworthy win..why is that ? ...secondly Oscar was shot and so was Mosley ...that's the facts of what people see

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          • #25
            None outweighs other and greatness is a combination of all. But if you have to be picky something like resume and longevity obviously stand out. Legends have these two per se.

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            • #26
              I think if you combine the top two answers (who you beat & win combined with level of dominance) then you get as close to correct as possible. By combining them you allow fans to better compare across eras and account for the fact that there is no unifying body mandating the best fight the best.

              Some fighters just come across a weight class at a time when there isn't relative a lot for them to beat. Do we downgrade them because their opposition was worse? Would Ali be a less capable fighter if he fought Joe Louis's opponents; thats really not fair.

              I think longevity is somewhat overrated because when we compare fighters we tend to want to look at their prime as opposed to their ability to compile.

              Although much of what I wrote aims to answer who was better than who in a comparison model, I feel that is the best way to define a legacy.

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              • #27
                All great points.
                Who you beat and when (quality of oposition)
                Never being KTFO
                Not making excuses when you lose
                Getting off the canvas and still fighting on if possible

                Number of divisions isn't much to me. Why?

                So many more divisions now and sanctioning bodies.

                In the future we may have a 16 division title champion

                The WBC super Jr junior lt welterweight belt.

                Pure fan boy tomfoolery.

                SRR fought and beat guys much heavier, no catch weight crap.

                I am out of here.

                I may not respond to young axx clowns. Over 45 years old and we can talk.

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