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  • #61
    Let me lay it down for all you!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. James "Lights Out" Toney 5'9 and rarely gets hit with clean shots from guys 6'3 and up natural heavy weights he is better that some of the top welterweights.
    2. Joe Frazier in his prime the bobin and weavin was too much even for Ali.
    3. Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali the master at movin angles and Improvising and seeking out weaknesses.(Rope A Dope)
    4.Chris Byrd before his year long lay-off he was like a light hitting Ali/Whitaker just look back at his fights with Holifield and Gollota the man was Crisco slick. The only reason he is a heavy weight is because of his slickness and counterpuch ability he moved so fast he made Vitali quit after injuring himself on a missed punch.
    5. Has to be Archie Moore not taking away from Tunney or tyson but the Mongoose paved the way for freakin Frazier, Norton, Foreman, Shavers, and dont forget Holifield every one knows that Archie invented the Mongoose defense that these prior mentioned fighters all used to block sharp and powerful blows from their opponents.

    * Notice the Majority of my top 5 were very much undersized and to compete in a division where danger is at every turn your defense has to be Special.
    Last edited by Gemini531; 02-08-2007, 09:38 AM.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Gemini531 View Post
      Let me lay it down for all you!!!!!!!!!!!
      1. James "Lights Out" Toney 5'9 and rarely gets hit with clean shots from guys 6'3 and up natural heavy weights he is better that some of the top welterweights.
      2. Joe Frazier in his prime the bobin and weavin was too much even for Ali.
      3. Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali the master at movin angles and Improvising and seeking out weaknesses.(Rope A Dope)
      4.Chris Byrd before his year long lay-off he was like a light hitting Ali/Whitaker just look back at his fights with Holifield and Gollota the man was Crisco slick. The only reason he is a heavy weight is because of his slickness and counterpuch ability he moved so fast he made Vitali quit after injuring himself on a missed punch.
      5. Has to be Archie Moore not taking away from Tunney or tyson but the Mongoose paved the way for freakin Frazier, Norton, Foreman, Shavers, and dont forget Holifield every one knows that Archie invented the Mongoose defense that these prior mentioned fighters all used to block sharp and powerful blows from their opponents.

      * Notice the Majority of my top 5 were very much undersized and to compete in a division where danger is at every turn your defense has to be Special.
      Frazier did not have a great defensive. If he did, he would not have been bounced around six times by George Foreman.
      Last edited by butterfly1964; 02-10-2007, 02:15 PM.

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      • #63
        kevin rooney ruined tyson.. after he was the only one left he got a big head and thought he ran the show. rooney sucks

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        • #64
          Originally posted by butterfly1964 View Post
          Frazier did not have a great defensive. If he did, he would have been bounced around six times by George Foreman.
          If he didn't have great defence, why DID he get bounced around six times?

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Yaman View Post
            If he didn't have great defence, why DID he get bounced around six times?
            It was a grammatical error, obviously.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by realheavyhands View Post
              kevin rooney ruined tyson.. after he was the only one left he got a big head and thought he ran the show. rooney sucks
              quote of the day.

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              • #67
                how come jersey joe aint on that list?

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Mistadobalina View Post
                  how come jersey joe aint on that list?
                  IDK.

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                  • #69
                    defensive heavyweights

                    It seems to me that "defense" should mean "avoiding getting hit," which combines technique, reflexes and mobility. Limiting my choices to heavyweight champions, here's how I see it:

                    1-Muhammad Ali (in his prime, he was harder to hit cleanly than any other heavyweight)
                    2-Jack Johnson
                    3-Gene Tunney
                    4-Jim Corbett
                    5-Jersey Joe Walcott
                    6-Ezzard Charles
                    7-Jack Sharkey
                    8-Larry Holmes

                    Best defensive among offensive fighters, who, due to their much more aggressive styles, got hit more frequently than the guys listed above:

                    1-Jack Dempsey
                    2-Joe Louis
                    3-Mike Tyson
                    4-Bob Fitzsimmons
                    5-Lennox Lewis

                    If we were to expand the list beyond heavyweight champions, we'd have to find room for Peter Jackson, Tommy Gibbons, Tommy Loughran, Maxie Rosenbloon, Billy Conn, Jimmy Bivins, Archie Moore, Harold Johnson, Ernie Terrell, Jimmy Ellis, Jimmy Young and Chris Byrd, among others.

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                    • #70
                      In my opinion Ali touched the canvas too many times to be the greatest defensive boxer ever.

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