Who could beat 86-89 Tyson?

[fanofslug]

Anyone with good footwork who can avoid Tyson's power for the first 6 or 7 rounds has him beat IMHO, any year.

[ShoulderRoll]

D'Amato was very old and died before Mike ever fought for a title. Other than Jacobs, all the others were chased away by Tyson. So ultimately who gets the blame for that?

Jacobs died in '88.

D'Amato was alive until Mike was 11-0. Rooney took over from there as he had been trained by Cus and knew the style and the training methods.

Once Tyson lost that connection to the Catskill gym (whether we blame him or Don King or anyone else) his technique started to deteriorate and he never reversed it.

I don't think that's too much of an outlandish position to take. It's why many people like to pinpoint those specific years as Tyson's peak.

[BKM-]

Anyone with good footwork who can avoid Tyson's power for the first 6 or 7 rounds has him beat IMHO, any year.

Sounds exactly like Tony Tucker, didn't work out for him.

[fanofslug]

Sounds exactly like Tony Tucker, didn't work out for him.

Someone with good footwork and knows how to slip punches, watch Tyson videos of him past the 6 or 7th round he's gasping. Evander Holyfield and Buster Douglas beat a Tyson who was the same Tyson as 86-89. Also, you have a blinkered view of Islam and ******s. Have a horrible, hate-filled life.

[BKM-]

Someone with good footwork and knows how to slip punches, watch Tyson videos of him past the 6 or 7th round he's gasping. Evander Holyfield and Buster Douglas beat a Tyson who was the same Tyson as 86-89. Also, you have a blinkered view of Islam and ******s. Have a horrible, hate-filled life.

Again, that's Tony Tucker and he was unable to win in fact Tyson was still full of stamina outboxing him and winning the rounds in the championship rounds. It's clear you haven't even watched that fight. Secondly, Holyfield and Douglass did not use the same approach, they used their reach especially the left jab at mid range and then smothered Tyson as he came in.

Lastly, your prophet was a lying, pedophilic warlord scumbag. Have fun worshipping that.

[Ben Bolt]

If Larry hadn’t taken a three-year off, it had been interesting seeing him clash with Mike in ’86.

I remember Dundee in the late 80s wasn’t absorbed by Iron Mike and said a technical skilled fighter would outbox Mike.

That’s boxing in its essence. A devastating puncher almost always come short against a clever boxer.

[Scott9945]

Jacobs died in '88.

D'Amato was alive until Mike was 11-0. Rooney took over from there as he had been trained by Cus and knew the style and the training methods.

Once Tyson lost that connection to the Catskill gym (whether we blame him or Don King or anyone else) his technique started to deteriorate and he never reversed it.

I don't think that's too much of an outlandish position to take. It's why many people like to pinpoint those specific years as Tyson's peak.

Everything you say may be true. But Tyson wasn't a boxing student when Rooney got dumped, he was the world champion. The fundamentals he had been implementing for so many years had taken. If Mike choose to go on the wrong path, that isn't a valid excuse for what happened. A valid explanation? Perhaps. But not a legit excuse. And of course Tyson was at his peak during the late 80's. There isn't two sides to that story.

[ShoulderRoll]

Everything you say may be true. But Tyson wasn't a boxing student when Rooney got dumped, he was the world champion. The fundamentals he had been implementing for so many years had taken. If Mike choose to go on the wrong path, that isn't a valid excuse for what happened. A valid explanation? Perhaps. But not a legit excuse. And of course Tyson was at his peak during the late 80's. There isn't two sides to that story.

The fundamentals had taken but he still had to keep his tools sharp. If things started to slip in a particular area Rooney would have been the one to spot that and to tell him what drills he needed to do more repetitions of to fix it.

I suppose it's possible that Mike was at his peak at some time other than the late 80s but I'd like to hear the arguments for it. The general consensus seems to be that, after Rooney was fired, Tyson stopped moving his head as much and would clutch and grab more on the inside instead of working.

[Scott9945]

The fundamentals had taken but he still had to keep his tools sharp. If things started to slip in a particular area Rooney would have been the one to spot that and to tell him what drills he needed to do more repetitions of to fix it.

I suppose it's possible that Mike was at his peak at some time other than the late 80s but I'd like to hear the arguments for it. The general consensus seems to be that, after Rooney was fired, Tyson stopped moving his head as much and would clutch and grab more on the inside instead of working.

Let me phrase it like this. If Muhammad Ali had dumped Dundee, or if Joe Louis fired Jack Blackburn, would they have showed as severe of a decline in their skills? Personally, I doubt it.

If Tyson was that dependent on his cornermen, then that diminishes his greatness, imo.

[rightsideup]

Let me phrase it like this. If Muhammad Ali had dumped Dundee, or if Joe Louis fired Jack Blackburn, would they have showed as severe of a decline in their skills? Personally, I doubt it.

If Tyson was that dependent on his cornermen, then that diminishes his greatness, imo.

mike was just not as well rounded as a person as Ali or
louis. louis lost against Max prior to winning the title and had the resolve to be dominant after that he had his personal distractions a war, divorce and the death of mr blackburn but he just kept winning. ALIs saga was similar