Who do you think teh hardest hitter ever is P4P and at Heavyweight?

[sonnyboyx2]

Heavyweight: Mike Tyson
P4P: Bob Foster, Thomas Hearns

[Elroy1]

problem is you can argue the toss forever, and never prove anything, it only works if both parties are willing to be sensible and take on new ideas, since you are such a silly boy, im gonna stop

You see that's why I don't bother so much anymore with detailed responses and choose to dismiss more readily.

Because I bring real evidence, and you fold.

I bring truth, you bring myth.

Shavers is a bum and he doesn't rate as a power puncher post 80's.

Those are simply the facts in the real world.

[AlexKid]

You see that's why I don't bother so much anymore with detailed responses and choose to dismiss more readily.

Because I bring real evidence, and you fold.

I bring truth, you bring myth.

Shavers is a bum and he doesn't rate as a power puncher post 80's.

Those are simply the facts in the real world.

No you bring relentless enthusiasm for arguing. Thats why I am refusing to reply.

[billeau2]

No you bring relentless enthusiasm for arguing. Thats why I am refusing to reply.

Good approach to dealing with elroids, that affliction that is similar to hemroids.

I just wanted to mention something regardig Shavers: One thing I noticed about him, your gif shows it as well, is that he seemed to have a bunch of characteristics that guys that punch well have. In addition to heavy hands, Shavers seems to get really good extension on his punches catching the guy at the end of the punch. This might explain his power, which is substantial. Shavers also is very relaxed and, while he isn't fast he gets decent shoulder rotation when he throws.

I can't think of two absolute hard hitters that are the best but Sonny mentioned some good ones, Foster was an incredible puncher, more of a wiry guy with tension cables for arms lol, than a heavy handed striker like Shavers. Tyson also does belong in this discussion.

With Tyson his pop comes from explosivness, like Dempsey. Short punches with a lot of body movement behind them, setting the feet at the right time and really thrusting the hips hard, just letting the hands follow through properly.

I will go with Shavers and Tyson. Two different types of hitters.

[Elroy1]

I will go with Shavers and Tyson. Two different types of hitters.

This is true... For once you made a valid statement.

One of them was of the mythical type, the other was of the real type.

Two different types of hitters.

[billeau2]

Earnie Shavers demonstratably is a power puncher only when viewed against Cruiserweights.

As soon as we limit the sieve of competition to 215lbs (reinflated modern cruiser or a BIG HW back in Earnie's day) SUDDENLY, his power is non-existent!

Of course it's even worse since Shavers IS a borderline HW and so has no business at all p4p.

Without further question I think it's either Mike Tyson or David Haye.

In fact these 2 guys are the only 2 worth considering in reality.

Closest thing would be Tommy Morrison but at 226lbs he was not exactly small.

According to your own logic haye could not be one of the biggest punchers because when he fought Vlad, for example, he weighed just around the average weight of Shavers, so Haye was also a cruiser. So neither guy according to you, has any business being a heavy weight.

If you take the top and bottom numbers of opponents both Shavers and Vlad fought guys over 240 and Shavers fought some guys who were lighter than Klitschko did, by about ten pounds. Shavers won both fights over opponents greater than 240 ONE BY A KO, so your argument about size being a factor in his power is at the very least debatable. So shut up on that one.

need i go on? see how weak your arguments become when someone takes a bit of time (I didn't even get started yet lol) to show your BS?

[RED REP]

- Ali is a prolific BSer

- Shavers FAILED to knock Ali down

- Other guys knocked Ali down yet Shavers didn't hence directly proving Ali a liar and Shaver a bum.

And why would Ali (and all the other guys who beat Shaver) want to pump up Shaver?

Because it increases the value of their own wins!

Obviously the truth, that they beat a total bum, doesn't serve their cause much does it.

Your agenda betrays yourself Alex.

Wow you really are a ****ing **** poster. Everything you write! Wow!

[AlexKid]

This is true... For once you made a valid statement.

One of them was of the mythical type, the other was of the real type.

Two different types of hitters.

You're not gonna get me to reply! Never!

[billeau2]

Wow you really are a ****ing **** poster. Everything you write! Wow!

Unfortunately for Elroid there is data available. Data triumphs puffery everytime. Elroid would like people to believe, in this case, that Shavers got by because of the size of his opponents. And his proof of this, which is kind of backwards, is that Shavers was a cruiserweight, then he turns around and says David Haye was one of the hardest hitters when Haye was a bit smaller than Shavers and...we do not even have to discuss the relative merits of whom both men fought to show Elroid's self contradiction here.

I should say that as far as I am concerned cruisers can rank as hard punchers, guys like Foster for example.

The second ****** thing about Elroid's analysis concerning haye is that haye does not have enough experience to rank as one of the hardest punchers. Who has Haye Koed?

[The Old LefHook]

Jimmy Wilde and George Foreman. Wilde because he always fought larger men and always knocked them out; Foreman because concussive power is different from sharp punching. Both Tyson and Shavers were better, sharper punchers than George, but I am convinced George would score slightly higher for a single blow on a stationary punching machine. He is not as likely to land a perfect power punch against a moving opponent as the other two are, though given the opportunity to haul off with impunity, I believe he throws more concussive blows than the others. Through correctness and dynamism Tyson could punch really hard, as evinced by his destruction of a buffalo moving forward with one right. Far better as a combination puncher where two or three H-bombs land in a row. I give it to George, with a bunch of others right behind, including Tyson, Williams, Cooney, Baeiouywr, Morrison and Dempsey.