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  • Does Hearns Beat All Welters Except For The Sugars?

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  • #2
    Originally posted by GrandpaBernard View Post
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    Tommy had an Achilles heel.

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    • #3
      i like tito's chances against hearns, a lot.

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      • #4
        Starling at his best would give Hearns a real tough fight.

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        • #5
          sugar hearns

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          • #6
            I feel Tommy could beat Leonard with a bit more conditioning in their first fight. He was doing extremely well until he got caught backing up and went to the ropes. Hearns was not a great defensive minded fighter because his offense was h9is best defense. With that in mind I don't think its clear that Leonard beats him every time out. In fact the other two encounters as "senior citizens" I thought had Hearns winning them.
            Welters I think would have an even chance or better would be;
            Napoles
            Gavilan
            Basilio
            Armstrong
            Robinson
            Leonard


            Not sure about Curry and Trinidad having a shot they would have be on top of their game with Tommy faultering. Starling would have a tough time reaching Hearns consistantly. (Hearns broke Marlons jaw sparring) however Marlon was doing well against him.
            The welters from the past 20 years get beat up and hurt against Tommy.
            Pacman would do nothing against him and Floyd would be powerless. Oscar could do ok if he boxed a perfect fight and Pete the same but I can't see either doing any damage.
            People assume Tommy had a weak chin and thats not true, when he got stopped he was under stress and battling and that could happen against good punchers. Leonard, Hagler, Barclay are good strong fighters.
            Being stopped 3 times in 66 bouts against solid competition isn't showing a weak chin!

            Ray.
            Last edited by Ray Corso; 12-21-2015, 04:17 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ray Corso View Post
              I feel Tommy could beat Leonard with a bit more conditioning in their first fight. He was doing extremely well until he got caught backing up and went to the ropes. Hearns was not a great defensive minded fighter because his offense was h9is best defense. With that in mind I don't think its clear that Leonard beats him every time out. In fact the other two encounters as "senior citizens" I thought had Hearns winning them.
              Welters I think would have an even chance or better would be;
              Napoles
              Gavilan
              Basilio
              Armstrong
              Robinson
              Leonard


              Not sure about Curry and Trinidad having a shot they would have be on top of their game with Tommy faultering. Starling would have a tough time reaching Hearns consistantly. (Hearns broke Marlons jaw sparring) however Marlon was doing well against him.
              The welters from the past 20 years get beat up and hurt against Tommy.

              Pacman would do nothing against him and Floyd would be powerless. Oscar could do ok if he boxed a perfect fight and Pete the same but I can't see either doing any damage.
              People assume Tommy had a weak chin and thats not true, when he got stopped he was under stress and battling and that could happen against good punchers. Leonard, Hagler, Barclay are good strong fighters.
              Being stopped 3 times in 66 bouts against solid competition isn't showing a weak chin!

              Ray.
              I agree. I don't see either one beating Hearns at 147. I also read about Hearns breaking Starlings jaw while sparring for the first Leonard fight.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by joseph5620 View Post
                I agree. I don't see either one beating Hearns at 147. I also read about Hearns breaking Starlings jaw while sparring for the first Leonard fight.
                Hearns was not a glass jaw, but he was not that hard to hurt, either, if you could get past his reach. Punches that wouldn't shake up other fighters wobbled his bird legs. Hearns managed to keep from being KO'd most of the time not by his own chin but the chins of his opponents, who could not withstand such firepower long enough to do their own damage.

                He had a nearly decent chin, but not as good as decent. Chin is where he falls shortest as a fighter, that and his bird legs. He made up for it. Most opponents never got a chance to test his chin or his legs.

                Almost every all time great (and #3 or thereabouts on the all time welterweight list is certainly an all time great) has a platinum rated chin. Hearns is one of the very few able to star travel with less than a platinum rated chin. Like I say, he had the style to make up for the assets he was weakest in. Such chins are usually weeded out in the all time selection process long before that, but not Tommy. He is up there anyway, as he should be IMO.

                Mickey Walker might have taken Tommy down. He had the chin, the punch and the speed to land. He was used to fighting bigger men. His lefhook was sneaky and untelegraphed. It would be an uphill fight for him, but Mickey had a lot of those.
                Last edited by The Old LefHook; 12-21-2015, 07:06 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ray Corso View Post
                  I feel Tommy could beat Leonard with a bit more conditioning in their first fight. He was doing extremely well until he got caught backing up and went to the ropes. Hearns was not a great defensive minded fighter because his offense was h9is best defense. With that in mind I don't think its clear that Leonard beats him every time out. In fact the other two encounters as "senior citizens" I thought had Hearns winning them.
                  Welters I think would have an even chance or better would be;
                  Napoles
                  Gavilan
                  Basilio
                  Armstrong
                  Robinson
                  Leonard


                  Not sure about Curry and Trinidad having a shot they would have be on top of their game with Tommy faultering. Starling would have a tough time reaching Hearns consistantly. (Hearns broke Marlons jaw sparring) however Marlon was doing well against him.
                  The welters from the past 20 years get beat up and hurt against Tommy.
                  Pacman would do nothing against him and Floyd would be powerless. Oscar could do ok if he boxed a perfect fight and Pete the same but I can't see either doing any damage.
                  People assume Tommy had a weak chin and thats not true, when he got stopped he was under stress and battling and that could happen against good punchers. Leonard, Hagler, Barclay are good strong fighters.
                  Being stopped 3 times in 66 bouts against solid competition isn't showing a weak chin!

                  Ray.
                  sadly, that assumption is very much propagated. your statement, however, came across loud and clear.

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                  • #10
                    The sessions were going well until he got popped pretty good but Marlon could hold his own with anyone then he was deceptively fast and used step overs very well to avoid shots and get off on angles.
                    People talk about him being with Futch but neither Futch or Roach had anything to do with Starlings growth he was from Hartford Conn. and trained by F. Mac Buckley since he was a Junior Olympic boxer through the Open Classes. Mac handled him for 70% of the pro bouts too. I don't know what happened to their relationship that caused a split but I knew Starling and Mac very well and had fighters on his Hartford Civic Center cards all the time.
                    That Civic Center and the New Haven Center were are home bases for about 6 years!.
                    Starling was the real "Magic Man" not Paulie. Everyone who knew him well called him "Moochie"!
                    After the shows we would all go across the street from the Center to Franks Restraunt and raise some hell, good times.

                    Starling was a tough kid and as a pro was more than willing!

                    Ray

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