Film night with Jimmy Jacobs.

[sonnyboyx2]

The problem is Ali fought Folley of 1967 and Patterson would all likelyhood be the champ put Zorra in with the top fighters of other eras post 60's and he would get flattened , you claim Carnera would beat Lewis which makes you top of the list for class clown ,right next to ray.

Everyother remark you posted was pure ******ity since they are true or arguably true.except your lie of butler ,when all what was said was his power and style along with tall tales of Stewards claiming Wlad as the greatest ever,FUNNY sonny..

LOL.. i've forgotten more about boxing than you will ever know jugger..

Do you think McCall & Rahman would knock out any other heavyweight champion in history?... if so who?

Your whole argument is based on height & weight. nothing else.

[juggernaut666]

LOL.. i've forgotten more about boxing than you will ever know jugger..

Do you think McCall & Rahman would knock out any other heavyweight champion in history?... if so who?

Your whole argument is based on height & weight. nothing else.

McCall spared hundreds of rounds with Tyson ,i highly doubt any past time HW champ would last in thowe same type situations even if they tried hitting him full force , if you think a 6'2 240 pounder with skill enough to **** it out with Mike doesnt fare well with any sub 200 pounder PAST time champ , i am not the delusional one.


If you think also a 6'3 240/250 pounder in Rahman is a cake walk show me what fights to any guy even 20 pounds lighter than him that he lost too and was completely dominated by less skilled fighters?He had an 80% k.o record when he k.od Lewis who was clowning around , You live in fantasy land where guys who get leveled by old 190 pounders and weigh 200 pounds themselves are the more dangerous..In your world the unskilled giant Carneras would be top fighters and the 190 pound brawling Dempseys demolish the Lewis"s...go figure?

If you say you've forgotten more , i believe your brain mustve had an overload and blew a fuse and is now permanently damaged to the point all logic does not function anymore ! im just glad you didnt claim to be teddy atlas's watcher and Tysons driver then it would be full blown dementia

[sonnyboyx2]

McCall spared hundreds of rounds with Tyson ,i highly doubt any past time HW champ would last in thowe same type situations even if they tried hitting him full force , if you think a 6'2 240 pounder with skill enough to **** it out with Mike doesnt fare well with any sub 200 pounder PAST time champ , i am not the delusional one.


If you think also a 6'3 240/250 pounder in Rahman is a cake walk show me what fights to any guy even 20 pounds lighter than him that he lost too and was completely dominated by less skilled fighters?He had an 80% k.o record when he k.od Lewis who was clowning around , You live in fantasy land where guys who get leveled by old 190 pounders and weigh 200 pounds themselves are the more dangerous..In your world the unskilled giant Carneras would be top fighters and the 190 pound brawling Dempseys demolish the Lewis"s...go figure?

If you say you've forgotten more , i believe your brain mustve had an overload and blew a fuse and is now permanently damaged to the point all logic does not function anymore ! im just glad you didnt claim to be teddy atlas's watcher and Tysons driver then it would be full blown dementia

LOL Jugger your funny mate. What about McCall losing every round against Cruiserweight Mike "Bounty" Hunter 205lbs and McCall losing to cruiserweight Orlin Norris 5''10' and 210lbs... Yes McCall was a worldbeater alright lol. Frank Bruno even beat him, for the world title he won from Lewis. Bruno was well past his sell-by-date at that time. YouTube has video footage, of McCall sparring Tyson. McCall quits when hurt.

Hasim Rahman ~ who did he ever beat except Lennox Lewis?
Knocked out of the ring by Makaev, hammered by old Holyfield, quit against James Toney, KOd by fat David Tua, Easily out-boxed by John Ruiz, butchered by Wladimir then leveled in less than 2rds by Povetkin. Lewis and his camp, acually petitioned the WBC. To include Rahman in their ratings, so they could hand-pick him, as their next harmless opponent back in 2001..Rahman poleaxed Lewis as we know... Rahmam is the worst fighter to ever hold the Heavyweight Title.

You trying to make out, Rahman & McCall as World-Beaters is simply laughable. They are mediocre journeymen, whichever way you look at it. Both would be unheard of, if not for their devastating knock out of Lennox Lewis. Neither Rahman or McCall managed to poleaxed any other Top Level fighter they fought.

McCall & Rahman are 6'3'' ~ 235lbers yet getting beat by 5''10' 205lbers ?????

Size means absolutely nothing, Size is a hindrance. Each time Lewis has hit the canvas, he has been unable to beat the count. Same applies to all behemoths.

Lewis is no bigger than a long list of 235lb fighters, over 6''4' we have had over the last 100yrs in boxing. Lewis is smaller than both Klitschko Brothers. Smaller than Carnera & Willard. Smaller than many fighters Dempsey & Louis fought. Nikolay Valuev is a giant compared to Lewis. Yet Cruiserweight David Haye defeated him. You mention these great skills Lewis possessed, yet never mention which fights i can view to see them.

Jugger.. your in love with Lennox Lewis mate. You ****** over his poster, which hangs on your bedroom wall. Your a size/weight geek. claiming everyone to be too small, to beat your poster boy. Boxing ability is what counts in the ring, nothing else. Boxing ability is what wins fights, not size & weight. Cruiserweight Michael Moorer knocked out 7''0' Mike "The Giant" White. Moorer knocked him out because of his boxing abilities.

[billeau2]

HaHaHa... what is it that Tyson Fury calls David Haye?... coz that is what came to mind as i read your reply LOL

Shi thouse lol yes thats you shi thouse

Poor funny Sonny... I can't beat on a man when he is down... You may have forgot more about boxing than some know but you didn't remember too much about Dempsey did you?

Dude you have been abused and used and relagated to irrelevant. by now

[billeau2]

The problem is Ali fought Folley of 1967 and Patterson would all likelyhood be the champ put Zorra in with the top fighters of other eras post 60's and he would get flattened , you claim Carnera would beat Lewis which makes you top of the list for class clown ,right next to ray.

Everyother remark you posted was pure ******ity since they are true or arguably true.except your lie of butler ,when all what was said was his power and style along with tall tales of Stewards claiming Wlad as the greatest ever,FUNNY sonny..

Funny Sonny has forgotten more about boxing than we will ever know...unfortunately he can't remember anything he forgot.

[juggernaut666]

LOL Jugger your funny mate. What about McCall losing every round against Cruiserweight Mike "Bounty" Hunter 205lbs and McCall losing to cruiserweight Orlin Norris 5''10' and 210lbs... Yes McCall was a worldbeater alright lol. Frank Bruno even beat him, for the world title he won from Lewis. Bruno was well past his sell-by-date at that time. YouTube has video footage, of McCall sparring Tyson. McCall quits when hurt.

Hasim Rahman ~ who did he ever beat except Lennox Lewis?
Knocked out of the ring by Makaev, hammered by old Holyfield, quit against James Toney, KOd by fat David Tua, Easily out-boxed by John Ruiz, butchered by Wladimir then leveled in less than 2rds by Povetkin. Lewis and his camp, acually petitioned the WBC. To include Rahman in their ratings, so they could hand-pick him, as their next harmless opponent back in 2001..Rahman poleaxed Lewis as we know... Rahmam is the worst fighter to ever hold the Heavyweight Title.

You trying to make out, Rahman & McCall as World-Beaters is simply laughable. They are mediocre journeymen, whichever way you look at it. Both would be unheard of, if not for their devastating knock out of Lennox Lewis. Neither Rahman or McCall managed to poleaxed any other Top Level fighter they fought.

McCall & Rahman are 6'3'' ~ 235lbers yet getting beat by 5''10' 205lbers ?????

Size means absolutely nothing, Size is a hindrance. Each time Lewis has hit the canvas, he has been unable to beat the count. Same applies to all behemoths.

Lewis is no bigger than a long list of 235lb fighters, over 6''4' we have had over the last 100yrs in boxing. Lewis is smaller than both Klitschko Brothers. Smaller than Carnera & Willard. Smaller than many fighters Dempsey & Louis fought. Nikolay Valuev is a giant compared to Lewis. Yet Cruiserweight David Haye defeated him. You mention these great skills Lewis possessed, yet never mention which fights i can view to see them.

Jugger.. your in love with Lennox Lewis mate. You ****** over his poster, which hangs on your bedroom wall. Your a size/weight geek. claiming everyone to be too small, to beat your poster boy. Boxing ability is what counts in the ring, nothing else. Boxing ability is what wins fights, not size & weight. Cruiserweight Michael Moorer knocked out 7''0' Mike "The Giant" White. Moorer knocked him out because of his boxing abilities.

Lewis had skills ,carnera did not...only a fool keeps comparing them and you are on that list for sure. You are even now comparing slow Valuev who lost to Haye whos only loss at HW was to Wlad...so I guess that makes Wlads win really not good either? Not sure why you think size does not come into play when occumpanied by skill ,if lewis or anyone you had mentioned was ever out boxed by 170 pounders you would laugh your ass off,kind of like what everyone does to you on here in general....the bottom line really is put Rahman or McCall in with any past time champ remotely 200 pounds and they will flatten them. You also convienently didn't mention McCall was 220 when he fought Hunter not the 240 one I used so you cant do math either,you use weight statistics when it suits your argument though...Rahamn lost to a 215 pounder and that was HOLYFIELD in a fight he could have won ,I guess Holyfield sucks too? The second smallest guy was Tua ...yea real skinny freak there.?

You know absolutly little at all outside old time boxing really,you jumped on the Wlad wagon yet don't have the common sence to see Wlad is a transition of old to new school skill sets,you seem to think iit went from Dempsey straight to Wlad and that's the metemophesus of how boxing evolved ...no...it evolved through out boxing even most middle guys like Lyle/Cooney/Ruddock/Tucker/Douglas/Morrison/Bowe/Golota/Foreman/Rahman/McCall/Mercer/Biggs/ etc..etc... would absolutely crush most if not all those pre 70's guys and so on ,anyone claiming Lewis would get k.o d in one round to Dempsey is a complete fool, and not understand Lewis H2H is as tough to beat as anyone to have had lace them up im not even going to waste time on you here......you're that dumb ........what it comes down to it,your just a big fibber mostly.

Im actually slowly closing in on putting you the number one moron on here,even over corso....that's sad!

[joeandthebums]

Originally from 60's, argument that no thread can avoid;



vs.

[sonnyboyx2]

Originally from 60's, argument that no thread can avoid;



vs.

Bill Cayton claimed to almost the day he died, Cassius Clay was the greatest fighter ever..Clay fought in the 1960s. Cayton died 2003 He had seen them all, including current king Wladimir Klitschko.

[joeandthebums]

Bill Cayton claimed to almost the day he died, Cassius Clay was the greatest fighter ever..Clay fought in the 1960s. Cayton died 2003 He had seen them all, including current king Wladimir Klitschko.

"If Sugar Ray Robinson with his great skills was and maintained all his skills and came at 220 pounds, Muhammad Ali would of beaten him, at their peaks.

His great speed, extraordinary speed, fastest fighter of any weight of all time and great ring generalship, I believe that Muhammad Ali was the greatest fighter pound-for-pound that ever lived."

Bill Cayton.

[sonnyboyx2]

"If Sugar Ray Robinson with his great skills was and maintained all his skills and came at 220 pounds, Muhammad Ali would of beaten him, at their peaks.

His great speed, extraordinary speed, fastest fighter of any weight of all time and great ring generalship, I believe that Muhammad Ali was the greatest fighter pound-for-pound that ever lived."

Bill Cayton.

In interview Bill Cayton said as above, he means Cassius Clay as opposed to Muhammad Ali. The Clay period being 64-67.

Thanks for finding and posting that quote up Joe.