Fighters who declined rapidly.

[Ben Bolt]

In the boxing world, this is such an interesting subject when following up-and-comers. During the years, I’ve seen these super-talented fighters being destroyed by their first loss.

Not necessarily because they took a bad beating, but their ego and self-confidence were too badly damaged. The best physically gifted ones not always have the required mentality.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

So: Roy Jones Jr was 35 years old and had a 15 years pro career behind him when he was dispatched by Tarver... ???

So what....

Hopkins and floyd both flourished and got some of their best wins past the age of 35..

Facts are, roy was p4p #1 and discussed as the GOAT, after the ruiz win and then got beatdown every fight after that..


Tell me another guy that was p4p #1 and proclaimed the GOAT by some, to being a punching bag, getting horribly ko'd in nearly every fight..

For real name me a p4p #1 guy then never won another major fight and got beaten down as bad as jones..

Manny got iced by marquez, but he didn't get beatdown by rios and algieri afterwards

Pernell slipped but was still able to go 12 Rds with Oscar and tito..

Roy was getting plastered and brutally knocked out...

Name another reigning p4p #1 guy that has happened too?????

[phallus]

Jeff Lacy another example of a fighter not being good in the first place and looking bad/losing when he fought good/decent

Yeah but he went fron blowing out journeymen to losing to them.. Not saying he was great. But he was even worse post calzaghe

what finished lacy was tearing his rotator cuff on his power arm, once he couldn't throw the left hook anymore and couldn't knock guys out he doesn't have the fundamentals to outbox them to a decision

RJJ didn't decline rapidly. It began years before, I'd say around the time he fought Harmon.

it was rapid. i remember like it was yesterday, people including myself thought it was ****** to go up and fight ruiz for the heavyweight strap but he proved how special he was in that contest with speed and power; a SOLID 205ish for fight night. the next contest taking place at light heavy - having to lose almost 30lbs between fights at 35 ruined him.

he fell off a cliff.

roy started losing his amazing reflexes before he came up to 175, but it was pretty gradual, i think the huge weight cut he did after coming down from hw finished him off, a 35 year old can't cut 20+ pounds of muscle in a month without seriously weakening himself. roy should have stayed at hw, he was still the smaller quicker man up there, eventually every hw gets knocked out, it wouldn't have tarnished his rep as much as going back down and getting beat by decisions against guys the young roy would have blown out in 6 rounds

[IMDAZED]

what finished lacy was tearing his rotator cuff on his power arm, once he couldn't throw the left hook anymore and couldn't knock guys out he doesn't have the fundamentals to outbox them to a decision







roy started losing his amazing reflexes before he came up to 175, but it was pretty gradual, i think the huge weight cut he did after coming down from hw finished him off, a 35 year old can't cut 20+ pounds of muscle in a month without seriously weakening himself. roy should have stayed at hw, he was still the smaller quicker man up there, eventually every hw gets knocked out, it wouldn't have tarnished his rep as much as going back down and getting beat by decisions against guys the young roy would have blown out in 6 rounds

I don't know if he would've ever beaten Tarver easily (Glen Johnson, yes) but yeah, he definitely should've stayed at HW. A Rahman bout was winnable.

Along with the weight cut what gets overlooked is that he took a lot of punishment in that first Tarver fight that took a lot of of him.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I don't know if he would've ever beaten Tarver easily (Glen Johnson, yes) but yeah, he definitely should've stayed at HW. A Rahman bout was winnable.

Along with the weight cut what gets overlooked is that he took a lot of punishment in that first Tarver fight that took a lot of of him.

A holyfield bout was winnable and would have paid roy 10x what a Tarver fight would have paid him..

Roy was in a perfect position... Fight old holyfield and tyson, both fights would have been record breakers... Roy-Evander instead of Evander-toney does a million plus PPv buys, and roy-tyson instead of tyson-williams would have set PPv records for the time

[phallus]

I don't know if he would've ever beaten Tarver easily (Glen Johnson, yes) but yeah, he definitely should've stayed at HW. A Rahman bout was winnable.

Along with the weight cut what gets overlooked is that he took a lot of punishment in that first Tarver fight that took a lot of of him.

A holyfield bout was winnable and would have paid roy 10x what a Tarver fight would have paid him..

Roy was in a perfect position... Fight old holyfield and tyson, both fights would have been record breakers... Roy-Evander instead of Evander-toney does a million plus PPv buys, and roy-tyson instead of tyson-williams would have set PPv records for the time

rahman, holyfield, tyson, were all winnable fights for roy, and there are a lot of journeyman hws and overrated prospects that he could have beat. i think they would have been lining up to fight jones

[Sugar Adam Ali]

rahman, holyfield, tyson, were all winnable fights for roy, and there are a lot of journeyman hws and overrated prospects that he could have beat. i think they would have been lining up to fight jones

Honestly,,, Rahman would have been too dangerous for roy... Rahman prime had great athletic ability for a big guy...
The Rahman that fought tua, lennox 1, Meehan, toney 1 would be a very tall task for roy.. Roy could beat the Rahman that comes in out of shape and unfocused like vs ruiz, toney 2, barrett, holyfield..
But I imagine this would be a big fight, and Rahman would probably bring his A-game..
2003/04 Rahman would be very difficult for 03/04 roy.. I think a tougher task than evander or tyson at the same point in time

[MrRolltide91]

A holyfield bout was winnable and would have paid roy 10x what a Tarver fight would have paid him..

Roy was in a perfect position... Fight old holyfield and tyson, both fights would have been record breakers... Roy-Evander instead of Evander-toney does a million plus PPv buys, and roy-tyson instead of tyson-williams would have set PPv records for the time

damn imagine if roy had beaten holyfield and tyson

[MrRolltide91]

Honestly,,, Rahman would have been too dangerous for roy... Rahman prime had great athletic ability for a big guy...
The Rahman that fought tua, lennox 1, Meehan, toney 1 would be a very tall task for roy.. Roy could beat the Rahman that comes in out of shape and unfocused like vs ruiz, toney 2, barrett, holyfield..
But I imagine this would be a big fight, and Rahman would probably bring his A-game..
2003/04 Rahman would be very difficult for 03/04 roy.. I think a tougher task than evander or tyson at the same point in time

imagine if roy would have beaten lennox lewis.


that really would be some GOAT s.h.i.t.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

imagine if roy would have beaten lennox lewis.


that really would be some GOAT s.h.i.t.

Yeah,,, no doubt,, if roy goes up and beats lennox, roy would be the GOAT