Peekaboo Style

[The Old LefHook]

Actual innovations in any field are rare. Where did this one come from? Cus D'matto must be its chief proponent, if not the inventor, and his student Tyson its purest and brilliant manistfestation.

Archie Moore, George Foreman and Kenny Norton all used a log cabin defense. Is it strictly a technique for big men? Maybe Jose Torres too, but he was only a light heavyweight.

There are obvious differences between log cabin and Tyson style peekaboo.

[The Old LefHook]

An observation and a question. Peekaboo fighters have to fight more squared up. Is Mike Tyson style peekaboo only effective with today's bigger gloves?

[Ben Bolt]

What I’ve learned, Floyd Patterson had this weakness being too vulnerable to shots against the temple, and why D’Amato had him adopting the peek-a-boo style.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Actual innovations in any field are rare. Where did this one come from? Cus D'matto must be its chief proponent, if not the inventor, and his student Tyson its purest and brilliant manistfestation.

Archie Moore, George Foreman and Kenny Norton all used a log cabin defense. Is it strictly a technique for big men? Maybe Jose Torres too, but he was only a light heavyweight.

There are obvious differences between log cabin and Tyson style peekaboo.

An observation and a question. Peekaboo fighters have to fight more squared up. Is Mike Tyson style peekaboo only effective with today's bigger gloves?

Archie Moore and Ken Norton used the cross defense. I believe it can be used by anyone depending on style, chiefly hard hitters. Mike Tyson's style was also incorporated by Floyd Patterson. All of Cus D'mato's fighters used it for that matter.

[The Old LefHook]

What I***8217;ve learned, Floyd Patterson had this weakness being too vulnerable to shots against the temple, and why D***8217;Amato had him adopting the peek-a-boo style.

How much of the peekaboo style do you figure D'Amato was making up on the spot? Was he merely making *********s to what he had previously seen?

[The Old LefHook]

Okay. I can see no one on here knows squat about the peekaboo style. Every once in a while I like to sneak in a technical question to expose all frauds.

[billeau2]

Guys like WinkyWright used it tremdously...But if you want to know origins from a purely combat science analysis, heres how it happened. Hint the gloves were a factor but the original factor was when boxing became more and more a matter of squaring up. If you watch fighters from james Figg's time because they were working with a fencing vocabulary the main distance was sword length...about three feet away from each other. From this position a man could manuveur for position and attack, throw a lead hand right to keep distance, or come to a grapple where circular strikes and grappling position was attained.

As boxers developed more fluidity more attacks and footwork were employed, we start to see angles in the heavyweight division with Johnson, but even Johnson divided his game into specific attack, counter, defend, grapple subsets. There are many pictures of Johnson looking like a sprinter as he has hands held in front and is running into his opponent.

Gradually boxers started to focus on select punches. The game became a matter of emploing these punches and to do so one had to be able to hit the other guy the best he could. Even Johnson when attacking tended to have his body foward and both hands employed. If I want to hit you, I want to be facing you because I can then hit you with either hand.

As gloves got bigger, as more responsive counter punching developed from improvised movement, as opposed to improvising an attack from a distance, setting traps and then attacking, guys got closer to each other. To use Johnson again as an example, he would use his gloves to block punches from a distance (Ro Jones does this). If he had to slip a punch the guy was too close, but with bigger gloves, guys could slip the punch and counter it. We see guys like Moore standing just out of range, squared up, using the gloves to slip the punch.

Eventually fighters started to minimize footwork and use the guard to stand in front of the guy and press.... This was the peekaboo inchoate. Guys like Lamotta and Marciano often LOOKED like they were getting hit but often enough were standing just at the end of the punch and would pivot back turn and use the guard to block as they were advancing. But Moore and some of the other cagey fighters in his era were imo the guys who really started to make the guard something more than just a way to block punches.

What people fail to realize is when using this peekaboo technique the guard is used with the body to deflect punches. Lets say Junggy with his massive bicepts is hitting two objects: one is a partiall deflated ball. when he connects the punch enters into the ball, much like he would like it to enter Billeau's face. The second is a fully deflated ball with a hard exterior coating that is turning. when he unleashes one of his firebombs the ball turning deflects some of the force because it has sufficient density. Now on the other side of this ball is a person who waits just before one of Juggy's bombs connects, then violently turns the ball and pushes it foward an inch or so... This is how punches are deflected from this position.

The advantages to this defense are the guy is sqared up and can return fire with both hands...He can move efficiently because he is always in front of the puncher.

The disadvantages are it is hard to use a counter punch properly because you have to shell up on the attack, wait and then return fire.

The guys who use this old school make it a way to cut the ring off as well. Very accurate punchers can defeat this defense easily, for example, watch how Ward masterfully tags Dawson with a hook, after setting a trap and gradually causing Dawson to lower his back hand. When Dawson is tricked into believing he is blocking the hook (Ward sets this up by deliberately throwing the punch to his back glove repitedly) Ward brings the punch up just an inch, feinting like it is going in the same place as before, and drops Dawson (weight drain my azz).

Watch how Robinson dealt with guys who tried the peekaboo. he would throw feints get them to react a certain way and accurately put the punch between, or around the glove, then follow up with a combo as the guy tried to usehis guard and not his legs to avoid the punches. And thats the thing with this dfense....it is a fool's gold in many respects, a good device for a presser to cut the ring off perhaps, but can always be beat with accurate punching and good mobility.

[joeandthebums]

Okay. I can see no one on here knows squat about the peekaboo style. Every once in a while I like to sneak in a technical question to expose all frauds.

Stuff like this is why I don't bother with this place anymore.

Guys like WinkyWright used it tremdously...But if you want to know origins from a purely combat science analysis, heres how it happened. Hint the gloves were a factor but the original factor was when boxing became more and more a matter of squaring up. If you watch fighters from james Figg's time because they were working with a fencing vocabulary the main distance was sword length...about three feet away from each other. From this position a man could manuveur for position and attack, throw a lead hand right to keep distance, or come to a grapple where circular strikes and grappling position was attained.

As boxers developed more fluidity more attacks and footwork were employed, we start to see angles in the heavyweight division with Johnson, but even Johnson divided his game into specific attack, counter, defend, grapple subsets. There are many pictures of Johnson looking like a sprinter as he has hands held in front and is running into his opponent.

Gradually boxers started to focus on select punches. The game became a matter of emploing these punches and to do so one had to be able to hit the other guy the best he could. Even Johnson when attacking tended to have his body foward and both hands employed. If I want to hit you, I want to be facing you because I can then hit you with either hand.

As gloves got bigger, as more responsive counter punching developed from improvised movement, as opposed to improvising an attack from a distance, setting traps and then attacking, guys got closer to each other. To use Johnson again as an example, he would use his gloves to block punches from a distance (Ro Jones does this). If he had to slip a punch the guy was too close, but with bigger gloves, guys could slip the punch and counter it. We see guys like Moore standing just out of range, squared up, using the gloves to slip the punch.

Eventually fighters started to minimize footwork and use the guard to stand in front of the guy and press.... This was the peekaboo inchoate. Guys like Lamotta and Marciano often LOOKED like they were getting hit but often enough were standing just at the end of the punch and would pivot back turn and use the guard to block as they were advancing. But Moore and some of the other cagey fighters in his era were imo the guys who really started to make the guard something more than just a way to block punches.

What people fail to realize is when using this peekaboo technique the guard is used with the body to deflect punches. Lets say Junggy with his massive bicepts is hitting two objects: one is a partiall deflated ball. when he connects the punch enters into the ball, much like he would like it to enter Billeau's face. The second is a fully deflated ball with a hard exterior coating that is turning. when he unleashes one of his firebombs the ball turning deflects some of the force because it has sufficient density. Now on the other side of this ball is a person who waits just before one of Juggy's bombs connects, then violently turns the ball and pushes it foward an inch or so... This is how punches are deflected from this position.

The advantages to this defense are the guy is sqared up and can return fire with both hands...He can move efficiently because he is always in front of the puncher.

The disadvantages are it is hard to use a counter punch properly because you have to shell up on the attack, wait and then return fire.

The guys who use this old school make it a way to cut the ring off as well. Very accurate punchers can defeat this defense easily, for example, watch how Ward masterfully tags Dawson with a hook, after setting a trap and gradually causing Dawson to lower his back hand. When Dawson is tricked into believing he is blocking the hook (Ward sets this up by deliberately throwing the punch to his back glove repitedly) Ward brings the punch up just an inch, feinting like it is going in the same place as before, and drops Dawson (weight drain my azz).

Watch how Robinson dealt with guys who tried the peekaboo. he would throw feints get them to react a certain way and accurately put the punch between, or around the glove, then follow up with a combo as the guy tried to usehis guard and not his legs to avoid the punches. And thats the thing with this dfense....it is a fool's gold in many respects, a good device for a presser to cut the ring off perhaps, but can always be beat with accurate punching and good mobility.

And this kind of post is why I still check in now and again.

[Mintcar923]

Cus wanted his fighters to be crowd pleasing but yet defensively sound, as well.. So he devised his own method of boxing which we know as the peekaboo style..

[The Old LefHook]

Stuff like this is why I don't bother with this place anymore.



And this kind of post is why I still check in now and again.

Bye then..