Mike McCallum vs. Marvin Hagler.

[sonnyboyx2]

This. No competition.

i agree... McCallum was superior and would have won

[ironalex]

i agree... McCallum was superior and would have won

Lol, Hagler would have stopped him late. Unfortunately though, its all subjective as we cannot ever prove it. However, for you to claim Mccalum has fought the much better competition than Hagler is quite laughable. Leonard, Hagler, Duran, Briscoe, Mugabi, Hamsho, the worm munroe, many.

[sonnyboyx2]

Lol, Hagler would have stopped him late. Unfortunately though, its all subjective as we cannot ever prove it. However, for you to claim Mccalum has fought the much better competition than Hagler is quite laughable. Leonard, Hagler, Duran, Briscoe, Mugabi, Hamsho, the worm munroe, many.

Only Laughable to those who know nothing about boxing... Let's take a look and see who fought the better opposition. You have put up some of the fighters Hagler fought during his career.

Leonard - 5yrs out and whooped Hagler
Duran - former Lightweight who lost razor thin 15rd dec. Hagler 4 weights bigger
Hearns - Tommy broke famous right hand in the first round which made a massive difference to the outcome of the fight. Hagler turned down rematch
Briscoe - Years past his best
Mugabi - vastly overrated, McClellan & Norris showed how to deal with him.
Hamsho - Slow, plodding, limited journeyman/contender.
Monroe - Limited, fringe contender.
Roldan - Rough Tough Argentine
Minter - World Champion
Antuofermo - Draw and cuts stoppage win

Mike McCallum Championship record

James"Lights-Out"Toney - 3 Times, 3 great fights. "Could Marvin beat Toney?
Roy Jones Jr - Roy was at his ultimate best.
Julian Jackson - Hardest puncher in Boxing History
Donald Curry - Undisputed Welterweight Champion of the World
Milton McCrory - 31-1 Former 147 Champion
Sumbu Kalambay - 43-3 World Champion
Steve Collins - World Champion
Jeff Harding - 175lb World Champion
Fabrice Tiozzo - 175lb World Champion
Herol"Bomber"Graham
Michael Watson
Ayub Kalule
David Braxton


It's clear McCallum fought the better opposition and won titles at 3 weights.
McCallum like Hagler was never KOd in career. McCallum 2ins taller...If McCallum fought Haglers opponents & Hagler fought McCallum's opponents, i see Marvin Hagler losing quite a few fights and some by knock out.

[Ray Corso]

..........."he fought the better opposition and would have been a clear winner".

You obviously don't know ANYTHING about the men Hagler fought as he moved up the Middleweight ladder.
Mike was at his best at 154 and when he stepped up he usually lost.
Haglers defeats as a young fighter were against top contenders and he
returned to defeat all of his past losses.
Hagler has some of the best opposition names on anyones record in history.
His light opposition was left behind after about 16 bouts, he was in with all styles and men who came to win. He finished with an outstanding career and is considered a top five Middleweight by many historians.

Don't be influenced by the Ray Leonard fight! Leonard sat and waited on Hagler for almost 4 years and he was point on when it happened.
Prime for prime Hagler catches up to Ray ofcourse a prime Ray is at 147 not 160!

Ray.

[Humean]

If you take the best versions of each at 160, so Hagler early 80s and McCallum circa 1990 then I think it would be a close fight, possibly even a waver thin decision, with Hagler the one that edges it.

[sonnyboyx2]

..........."he fought the better opposition and would have been a clear winner".

You obviously don't know ANYTHING about the men Hagler fought as he moved up the Middleweight ladder.
Mike was at his best at 154 and when he stepped up he usually lost.
Haglers defeats as a young fighter were against top contenders and he
returned to defeat all of his past losses.
Hagler has some of the best opposition names on anyones record in history.
His light opposition was left behind after about 16 bouts, he was in with all styles and men who came to win. He finished with an outstanding career and is considered a top five Middleweight by many historians.

Don't be influenced by the Ray Leonard fight! Leonard sat and waited on Hagler for almost 4 years and he was point on when it happened.
Prime for prime Hagler catches up to Ray ofcourse a prime Ray is at 147 not 160!

Ray.

I am not influenced by the Leonard fight.. my opinion of the Leonard fight is that Leonard would always beat Hagler. The Leonard who defeated Hearns and lost to Duran in Montreal would have no trouble beating Marvin Hagler.. The men you talk about who Hagler lost to then defeated in rematches Monroe, Watts, Brookes, Briscoe, Seales etc. McCallum would have no trouble beating those kinda fighters. McCallum was a very highly skilled fighter who was avoided by Hagler, Hearns, Duran & Leonard.. McCallum was skilled enough to be able to move from 154lb upto 175lbs. Hagler never moved from 160lbs prefering to fight lightweights & welterweights instead of moving up and fighting the likes of Dwight Braxton..

Roy Jones Jr. and James Toney would have little trouble taking care of Marvin Hagler at 160lbs. Julian Jackson, Donald Curry, Herol Graham and several more opponents of McCallum's i could envisage giving Hagler real trouble.

You obviously take Hagler to defeat McCallum, whereas i see McCallum winning by a landslide.

Here is a video interview with McCallum telling how Hagler ducked him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKMOqDLV***

[Ray Corso]

Lost to Toney (2 & D)
Lost to Kalumbay
Lost to Jones

Hagler was retired in 87, Mike was a 154lb contender then! Had not even fought at 160 yet.
He went from 54 to 70+ the next few years then went back to 160.
They fought in different times, and to be honest Mike never had money behind him, when he stepped up he lost!

Nothing against Mike, I liked him and knew him from his amateur days.
He didn't have the savy that you need to go with Hagler, the Hagler against Duran & Leonard was NOT Hagler at his best. He was "picking up the pennies"
its a business to them to YOU its a sporting event or some BS!

You won't find anyone getting in line to fight Hamsho or Antuofermo what they lack in over all skills they make up for willingness to do damage anyway they can.
I doubt you were born then.
Ray

[TBear]

Here is a video interview with McCallum telling how Hagler ducked him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKMOqDLV***

McCallum can say it all he wants. So can Donald Curry, Tony Suero and Aaron Pryor. Hagler didn't duck McCallum and that old story has been miffed so many time here. By the time Hagler fought Leonard, McCallum was basically unknown and but one of three light middleweight champions. It was before he beat Curry and McCrory. All that came after Hagler fought Leonard. At that point in McCallum's career he would be no more considered than the other light middleweight champions Buster Drayton and Duane Thomas. Unless of course Thomas and Drayton are also claiming it, then I guess Hagler ducked everybody.

[sonnyboyx2]

Lost to Toney (2 & D)
Lost to Kalumbay
Lost to Jones

Hagler was retired in 87, Mike was a 154lb contender then! Had not even fought at 160 yet.
He went from 54 to 70+ the next few years then went back to 160.
They fought in different times, and to be honest Mike never had money behind him, when he stepped up he lost!

Nothing against Mike, I liked him and knew him from his amateur days.
He didn't have the savy that you need to go with Hagler, the Hagler against Duran & Leonard was NOT Hagler at his best. He was "picking up the pennies"
its a business to them to YOU its a sporting event or some BS!

You won't find anyone getting in line to fight Hamsho or Antuofermo what they lack in over all skills they make up for willingness to do damage anyway they can.
I doubt you were born then.
Ray

Once again, a load of rubbish you are spewing here Ray. Trying to make out you knew Jamaican McCallum in his amateur days LOL...

As for McCallum losing to Toney & Jones Jr... are you claiming Hagler would have defeated those two fighters???

What about Hagler's defeats by Boogaloo Watts and Willie Monroe?.. Those two were not in Toney, Jones or Kalambay's league my friend. in fact Hagler has a very poor resume when talking about quality fighters fought. He fought mainly journeymen and club fighters most of his career, upto his draw with the limited Vito Antuofermo. The same Antuofermo who was only a light-middleweight when levelled by Britains Maurice Hope & Bunny Sterling. Hagler's claim to fame is beating Thomas Hearns, Yet what is always "glossed over" is the fact Hearns broke his right-hand in the opening round.

As for my age Ray.. well i am older than McCallum my friend.

[boxinghead530]

Who wins at MW?

Without a doubt MARVELOUS MARVIN HAGLER no questions asked. End of thread