Duran, Arcel, Brown and the new movie.

[BennyST]

Just came across this article, down below, and noticed that it talks about the movie focusing on Duran and his relationship with Arcel. However, when you hear Duran talk of it, the important relationship was actually with Freddie Brown. He said it was Freddie that did all the day to day training, woke him up, kicked him out of bed, yelled at him when he tried to slack off...all the stuff that the 'real' trainer does, yet it seems he gets lost in the background, even despite Duran himself saying his career is because of Brown more than Arcel.

He used to say Freddie was his dad and he loved him like it. Not so much Arcel. What you think?

One of the saddest stories I ever heard was from Brown's wife who said he died broken hearted because of the Duran saga. He just couldn't stand it, couldn't believe that Duran would have just stopped fighting and it broke him and he died not long after that with a broken heart because his greatest protege and fighter, the kid he turned into such a machine, stopped. Sad ****. Made me tear up when I read it thinking of Brown after all that.

[BennyST]

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...ands-of-stoneq

[joseph5620]

In regards to Brown/Arcel this doesn't surprise me. Film makers will embellish and sometimes completely fabricate events for what they see as the most creative angle.

In this case it seems unfortunate.

[sonnyboyx2]

I wouldn't read too much into Freddie Brown being the chief trainer of Duran. Ray Arcel was the Chief Trainer, Freddie Brown the cuts man. Brown was cutman for Rocky Marciano & Rocky Graziano. He fixed Marciano's nose in the Ezzard Charles fight. Which was so badly cut a man could lay his little finger length-wise into the open wound.

[rightsideup]

Freddie brown was a fine trainer in his own right and spent more time with duran. He was the lead trainer of many fine fighters. Arcel was employed outside of boxing at least for the beginning of his association with duran and was the chief second during the fights. He was an excellent tactician. Arcel was first approached by Durans manager Carlos Eleta when he realized the talent he had required a world class corner.

[rightsideup]

In regards to Brown/Arcel this doesn't surprise me. Film makers will embellish and sometimes completely fabricate events for what they see as the most creative angle.

In this case it seems unfortunate.

In the movie Cinderella man angleo dundee helped train russel Crowe and had a small part in the movie and wrote in his book that he was upset with director Ron Howard on how max Baer was portrayed. It is amazing the Baer family did not sue

[Ray Corso]

Borrowed from boxrec;

Freddie Brown was a boxing trainer between the 1940s and 1980s.






Fighters he trained, or served as Cut Man for included:
Bob Pastor
Abe Simon
Tommy (Hurricane) Jackson
Rocky Marciano
Billy Daniels
Mike DeJohn
Bob Murphy
George Chuvalo
Ernie Terrell
Larry Holmes
**** Tiger
Harold Green
Rocky Graziano
Tony Janiro
Joey Archer
Vito Antuofermo
Danny Giovanelli
Gaspar Ortega
Aaron Pryor
Roberto Duran
Floyd Patterson
Yama Bahama
Rubin Carter
Frankie Ryff
Wilbert McClure
Billy Graham

Freddie knew his business and stood on his own a long time.
Ray.

[rightsideup]

Borrowed from boxrec;

Freddie Brown was a boxing trainer between the 1940s and 1980s.






Fighters he trained, or served as Cut Man for included:
Bob Pastor
Abe Simon
Tommy (Hurricane) Jackson
Rocky Marciano
Billy Daniels
Mike DeJohn
Bob Murphy
George Chuvalo
Ernie Terrell
Larry Holmes
**** Tiger
Harold Green
Rocky Graziano
Tony Janiro
Joey Archer
Vito Antuofermo
Danny Giovanelli
Gaspar Ortega
Aaron Pryor
Roberto Duran
Floyd Patterson
Yama Bahama
Rubin Carter
Frankie Ryff
Wilbert McClure
Billy Graham

Freddie knew his business and stood on his own a long time.
Ray.

some very talented people there

[joseph5620]

In the movie Cinderella man angleo dundee helped train russel Crowe and had a small part in the movie and wrote in his book that he was upset with director Ron Howard on how max Baer was portrayed. It is amazing the Baer family did not sue

Yeah they twisted the truth quite a bit in that movie. Especially the way they portrayed Baer as an intimidating,unrepentant, sociopath in the ring.

[BennyST]

I wouldn't read too much into Freddie Brown being the chief trainer of Duran. Ray Arcel was the Chief Trainer, Freddie Brown the cuts man. Brown was cutman for Rocky Marciano & Rocky Graziano. He fixed Marciano's nose in the Ezzard Charles fight. Which was so badly cut a man could lay his little finger length-wise into the open wound.

Yeah we all get that. That's not the point.

Arcel was the 'head trainer' and Brown the cutman, but Brown did all the day to day boxing training for Duran's career. He was the guy that spent every day of the whole camp with Duran pushing, teaching, drilling, hassling...the real training. The stuff that matters more than anything else.

So, in the corner during the fight, Arcel may very well have been the head trainer, but in practice, Brown was and he doesn't get credit for it.