oscar bonavena's chin

[rightsideup]

Is he up there in the discussion of durable boxer's

[joseph5620]

Is he up there in the discussion of durable boxer's

I would say his chin must have been very good considering he went the distance twice with Frazier and once with Lyle.


Only stopped once in his career against Ali.

[Dynamite76]

Very Good. Probably would have held up to Foreman as well.

[QueensburyRules]

I would say his chin must have been very good considering he went the distance twice with Frazier and once with Lyle.


Only stopped once in his career against Ali.

- -Ali had to violate the neutral corner KD rule 3x to ko Oscar.

Suits wanted to advance him into the Frazier FOY.

[BKM-]

I would say his chin must have been very good considering he went the distance twice with Frazier and once with Lyle.


Only stopped once in his career against Ali.

What a feather in the cap of Ali, who is often accused of being pillow fisted.

[Rusty Tromboni]

One of the absolute best ever. Seriously, I can think of few fighters with such a beard.


Afterall, what else did he have going for him?

You gotta love Chuvalo. Absolute warrior and true gentleman.

[Rusty Tromboni]

What a feather in the cap of Ali, who is often accused of being pillow fisted.

Consider the circumstances.


Anyway, Ali wasn't feather-fisted, but he won by attrition. He could through a tremendous number of slicing punches over the course of a 15 round fight. He tended to pour it on as his opponents got weaker, too.

He really, really struggled with "The Acorn", whom undersized and shop-worn Quarry bombed out. And was outright bested by Norton: whose chin was as delicate as fine china.

Being a Heavyweight (wearing smaller gloves than you're used to seeing today, with different stuffing) he was going to pack a punch, no matter what. Can you imagine if you scaled up a guy like Macho Camacho or Meldrick Taylor and gave them Ali's gloves? They'd rack up tons of finishes, even without having Deontay Wilder power.

[MaxT]

What a feather in the cap of Ali, who is often accused of being pillow fisted.

It's common misconseption of the boxrec-era fans. Thouse think that punchinching power is somewhat simular to weapon damage in computer games.

But in reality good fighters tend to vary the speed and power of their punches.

Ali nomaly try to maximaze speed of his punches while keeping his mobility, thats steals the power from the punch. But when he want it Ali may hit pretty hard. Ali not only drop Bonavena, he shook Chuvalo and Lyle.

Moreover Ali is like Roy Jones, his punchingpower mostly comes from his explosive speed. When super speed gone Ali lost most of his KO power. When he was young he was far better puncher.

The real pillow-fisted great fighter is Larry Holmes.
Good tehnique, but now real power at all. He just cant hit.

[MaxT]

Norton: whose chin was as delicate as fine china.

Norton weak chin theory mostly based of his 3 KO losses to top-10 puncher in the history of division.

Garsia can puch too.

[Rusty Tromboni]

It's common misconseption of the boxrec-era fans. Thouse think that punchinching power is somewhat simular to weapon damage in computer games.

But in reality good fighters tend to vary the speed and power of their punches.

Ali nomaly try to maximaze speed of his punches while keeping his mobility, thats steals the power from the punch. But when he want it Ali may hit pretty hard. Ali not only drop Bonavena, he shook Chuvalo and Lyle.

Moreover Ali is like Roy Jones, his punchingpower mostly comes from his explosive speed. When super speed gone Ali lost most of his KO power. When he was young he was far better puncher.

The real pillow-fisted great fighter is Larry Holmes.
Good tehnique, but now real power at all. He just cant hit.

You're shooting yourself in the foot.


BoxRec would actually suggest that the younger, more mobile Ali was the superior puncher.

And there are plenty of examples of Ali planting his feet and not dispatching opponents effectively.

Third, power tends to last because it's based on mechanics and timing. It's as much an art as it is a science. And we can accept that their are "different types" of punchers. But typically, you begin to see fights who'd spent their careers eschewing reliance on power (or even wanting to hurt their opponents) actually racking up KOs as their other skills atrophy.



Again, no one should be suggesting Ali was his era's Chris Byrd. But being a high-volume puncher at Heavyweight, Ali was going to score KO's. Again, reference my Meldric Taylor analogy.

Conversely, how well do you think a guy like Wilder would do at Ww? He might have a better chin than Tommy Hearns, but every other desirable is attributable to Hearns. What he does at Heavyweight is damn impressive, but he gets by on far less because Heavyweight punches carry more parity.