Originally posted by Ray Corso
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Who was toughest Frazier or Tyson
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Last edited by juggernaut666; 05-10-2015, 04:56 PM.
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Mike Tyson is NOT 5'11" never was or will be! To you these discussions are a "competition" and I do understand your "need" to "win"! hahahaha
It's all you have it seems, you get your butt handed to you every day because people are tired of your "competition rants"! Instead of discussing topics like adults you carry on on by insulting and degrading the men who actuall perform in the business. You might be the number one fan at ic here.
Good luck, I had more fun here when I ignored you. Bye! Tired of your
Ray
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Physically they are about the same, tyson probably has the better chin
But frazier was much tougher mentally, really no contest in that department
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Originally posted by BKM-2010 View PostI could never see the guys I mentioned lay on the canvas like he did against Schmeling and counted out. They'd faceplant while trying to get up or fall into the referee before semi accepting their faith like that.
If I'd add a dominant champion with a long streak, I'd say Holmes considering what he got up from against Shavers and still won and also surviving the beating against prime Holyfield. And only stopped once against Tyson when past his prime, and he was legit sparked there.
Interesting thing about these four guys, Ali, Holyfield, Frazier and Louis - They are all from the south. I don't think it's a coincidence.
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Originally posted by LacedUp View PostOK - I wouldn't count that against him. You've seen Holyfield stopped too. In worse circumstances than going out on his shield - sickness or not. Joe Louis was in incredibly hard fights. Fights where he was knocked down and behind on the scorecards. Billy Conn springs to mind. He might not have taken a punch as well as Evander Holyfield, but he was every bit as strong.
Interesting thing about these four guys, Ali, Holyfield, Frazier and Louis - They are all from the south. I don't think it's a coincidence.
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Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View PostPhysically they are about the same, tyson probably has the better chin
But frazier was much tougher mentally, really no contest in that department
Frazier got dropped by a prime George Foreman. Thats an entirely different caliber of puncher that's putting Joe Down. Tyson had a good chin but he went down to douglas and Lewis when he was past his best. Showed a good chin vs ruddock.
Still Frazier had more heart.
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Originally posted by Ray Corso View PostMike Tyson is NOT 5'11" never was or will be! To you these discussions are a "competition" and I do understand your "need" to "win"! hahahaha
It's all you have it seems, you get your butt handed to you every day because people are tired of your "competition rants"! Instead of discussing topics like adults you carry on on by insulting and degrading the men who actuall perform in the business. You might be the number one fan at ic here.
Good luck, I had more fun here when I ignored you. Bye! Tired of your
Ray
still waiting on your reasoning why weight is not important and do you think JJ had the weight advantage by 40 pounds or more had an advantage?
p.s you had more fun before I joined becuae I actually break it down to you other than Elroy,now you have at least two guys on here to call B.s when they see it,and even then when presented by a logical point you rant on off topic irrelevant B.S...I already know im in a convo with a wall or rock who cant really think...you still think Louis would beat the klitchkos?priceless...Last edited by juggernaut666; 05-10-2015, 10:47 PM.
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Originally posted by them_apples View Postdisagree. Frazier had an iron beard and fought live opponents. Tyson barely got hit in his early career and never fought anyone that really could.
Frazier got dropped by a prime George Foreman. Thats an entirely different caliber of puncher that's putting Joe Down. Tyson had a good chin but he went down to douglas and Lewis when he was past his best. Showed a good chin vs ruddock.
Still Frazier had more heart.Last edited by juggernaut666; 05-10-2015, 09:38 PM.
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Originally posted by juggernaut666 View Postyou do realize the shape you are in dictates the punch you will take after certain amounts of rounds right?douglas was 6'4 230and needed 10 rounds of continuous punishment to Tyson who obviously was tired and out of shape half way thru that fight...how much was Bonevena when he dropped Frazier 210?Maybe...really this is dumb...you really think Frazier had a better chin?highly doubt that,as a matter of fact ANYONE who says otherwise doesnt know boxing...they are watching frazier stand up to a light hitting HW in Ali...see guys like Ray wont tell you that the better legs you have the better punch you will absorb over tiome,i know this thuis is why and just one reason his weight theory is literally crushed.....anyway like I said frazier vs Tyson in toughness?sorry but Tyson is so much more physically advanced.
How is Ali so light hitting when he managed to stop George Foreman in his prime. When Foreman walked through Morrison and Holyfields punches like they were flies. I under stand Foreman was severely fatigued but still Ali had some pop when he wanted to. Before his first retirement he had a ko percentage in the 90 % range.
I don't understand how you give old fighters 0 credit. Yeah they lost at bad points during their career or near the end...but look how ****ty lennox lewis looked when a guy like Mccall koed him, or how sloppy and slow he looked against Vitali in his last fight. Even look at Wlad against that bum jennings, a man foreman or Frazier would stop in the first round.
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