Who is the hardest puncher in boxing history?

[rightsideup]

My point exactly.

and your point is he beat a champion a number 1 contender plus another rated contender

[Scott9945]

I dont have to be a fan I go straight to the source of his actual trainers and foreman himself...no logical person believe the 70's poor stamina ,sloppy puncher,weaker chinned foreman was better than thinker/smart foreman who could take a serious punch and deliver even a harder one at that heavier weight....do the math....

That's the problem, you think boxing can be analyzed by math. Bigger and newer is always better. And that is a one dimensional way to look at this sport.

The only thing better about Foreman in the 90's was his sense of pacing. And that was out of necessity. And how exactly did Foreman's chin get better? It didn't. The only times the younger Foreman was dropped was due to exhaustion, not a weak chin.

[Ray Corso]

Without boxrec and winney this kid has NOTHING to say!!!
He never heard of Art Lasky and knows absolutely nothing about the history of boxing. Can't recognize good form from bad and wouldn't know Archie Moore from Mary Tyler Moore!

Go to bed juggernuttzz your out gunned, again.

Don't beat the boy up to bad he's just another :*******:

nite all Ray.

[Jim Jeffries]

Louis began his career as a 190 pounder he fought at 170 before even turning pro...

Is this supposed to mean something? Korobov beat Usyk in the AMs. You know what that means now? Absolutely nothing.

as far as foreman..well you do realize Frazier weighed 224 and was completey out of shape from his 205 pound weight right?

Wrong again. Frazier weighed 214 for his first fight with Foreman. If you have to lie to make a point, it usually means that you don't have one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Fra...George_Foreman

"Foreman would have giving Ali a better fight in his 40's,he became smarter and picked his shots,he was more relaxed and because of that took a better punch,he also slowed a bit but timed his punches better,he became a more effective fighter" Angelo Dundee...

Rather relevant bit as far as punching power goes. Some elements of Foreman's prowess improved in his second incarnation, power is not necessarily one of them.

not sure why you think a 260 pound foreman hits less than a 220 anyway,total nonsense right there

Not sure how you think an older, fatter, slower fighter automatically hits harder, but perhaps you have Butterbean as your hardest hitting HW of all time.

[juggernaut666]

That's the problem, you think boxing can be analyzed by math. Bigger and newer is always better. And that is a one dimensional way to look at this sport.

The only thing better about Foreman in the 90's was his sense of pacing. And that was out of necessity. And how exactly did Foreman's chin get better? It didn't. The only times the younger Foreman was dropped was due to exhaustion, not a weak chin.

Wrong do you really think foreman of the 70's would stand up to the super heavy shots he took in the 90's?particualrly Morrisons left hooks or 20 unanswered shots from holyfield?...the idiocy on here is really mind boggling..ALI COULD HIT 250 PLUS FOREMAN WITH 100 PUNCHES IN A ROW IT WOULDNT EVEN MAKE HIM BLINK.foreman of the 90's would never get dropped by J.young or lyle either....it gets even better because you said he paced himself in the 90's ,you do realize when you pace yourself and not waste punches it automatically makes you more dangerous right?

[juggernaut666]

Is this supposed to mean something? Korobov beat Usyk in the AMs. You know what that means now? Absolutely nothing.



Wrong again. Frazier weighed 214 for his first fight with Foreman. If you have to lie to make a point, it usually means that you don't have one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Fra...George_Foreman



Rather relevant bit as far as punching power goes. Some elements of Foreman's prowess improved in his second incarnation, power is not necessarily one of them.



Not sure how you think an older, fatter, slower fighter automatically hits harder, but perhaps you have Butterbean as your hardest hitting HW of all time.

Frazier at 214 or 224 which he became is still overweight sorry kiddo but not sure what your point is other than again you actually think the years he fought foreman he is in his prime,if you actually followed Fraziers career his prime years were 68 to 71...he would lose to foreman anyway due to lack of chin regardless.No clear level individual will agree that 220 foreman hit tharder for two reasons ,he was heavier and he disguised his punches better,the punch you don't see coming is the one that usually hurts you more...lesson over for the night kiddo....its sad even with facts like foreman stating he was stronger in the 90's,even on video pulling small trucks and doing strong man training you will deny what I said...no wonder certain ppl avoid this forum..like talking to a bunch of rocks here...


Louis spent the majority of his prime at 195/200......was the point. stick with crack head RAY THE KNOW NOTHING ON HERE YOU WILL GO FAR? HE SEEMS TO KNOW ABOUT WASHING CARS AND SO FORTH WHEN AVOIDING POINTS HE WAS PROVEN WRONG IN..

[Scott9945]

Wrong do you really think foreman of the 70's would stand up to the super heavy shots he took in the 90's?particualrly Morrisons left hooks or 20 unanswered shots from holyfield?...the idiocy on here is really mind boggling..ALI COULD HIT 250 PLUS FOREMAN WITH 100 PUNCHES IN A ROW IT WOULDNT EVEN MAKE HIM BLINK.foreman of the 90's would never get dropped by J.young or lyle either....it gets even better because you said he paced himself in the 90's ,you do realize when you pace yourself and not waste punches it automatically makes you more dangerous right?

Same old, same old. Everything is about weight. Early Foreman KO's Morrison and Ron Lyle hit much harder than anyone George fought in the 90's except for maybe a washed up Cooney. I saw those fights when they happened and you just read the stats from boxrec. It's becoming very repetitious to be honest. But admittedly you're very clever with all the emoticons.

[Jim Jeffries]

Frazier at 214 or 224 which he became is still overweight sorry kiddo but not sure what your point is other than again you actually think the years he fought foreman he is in his prime,if you actually followed Fraziers career his prime years were 68 to 71...he would lose to foreman anyway due to lack of chin regardless.No clear level individual will agree that 220 foreman hit tharder for two reasons ,he was heavier and he disguised his punches better

The only one claiming that Frazier was in his prime when he fought Foreman is you. You then proceed to argue with yourself, amusing though that may be.

I don't believe he was shot to bits either, less than 2 years after beating Ali. But you're welcome to that opinion if you'd like.

Look 70's Foreman was a greatly feared destroyer that was a huge favorite to beat Ali. Comeback Foreman, Big George if you prefer, was a bit of a carnival attraction, favored to put away a dozen whoppers with cheese and little else.

Louis spent the majority of his prime at 195/200......was the point.

What happened to this?

the natural 190 pound Louis

Since you seem to be under the impression that a fighter hits harder the more weight he puts on, how about the 214 lb Louis that fought Marciano?

The point is, you don't have a point. Except maybe this boxer hits harder than that one because, you know, he's a ...... well you know.... heavier. A rather absurd point, if you don't mind me saying.

[juggernaut666]

The only one claiming that Frazier was in his prime when he fought Foreman is you. You then proceed to argue with yourself, amusing though that may be.

I don't believe he was shot to bits either, less than 2 years after beating Ali. But you're welcome to that opinion if you'd like.

Look 70's Foreman was a greatly feared destroyer that was a huge favorite to beat Ali. Comeback Foreman, Big George if you prefer, was a bit of a carnival attraction, favored to put away a dozen whoppers with cheese and little else.



What happened to this?



Since you seem to be under the impression that a fighter hits harder the more weight he puts on, how about the 214 lb Louis that fought Marciano?

The point is, you don't have a point. Except maybe this boxer hits harder than that one because, you know, he's a ...... well you know.... heavier. A rather absurd point, if you don't mind me saying.

well no one is disagreeing with fraziers prime but you...know why?Because his prime was exactly the years I stated......as was Foremans best years as was any statement I made thus far.....that was indisputable thru quotes and facts that I easily proved.Louis was WAY past his prime against Marciano and Louis didn't have a good chin to begin with,im pretty sure you really don't study boxing,everything you say is basically false or out of whack.

[juggernaut666]

Same old, same old. Everything is about weight. Early Foreman KO's Morrison and Ron Lyle hit much harder than anyone George fought in the 90's except for maybe a washed up Cooney. I saw those fights when they happened and you just read the stats from boxrec. It's becoming very repetitious to be honest. But admittedly you're very clever with all the emoticons.

Early foreman couldn't even k.o J.young..please the nonsense level is at an all time high here,which Im starting to think you are with each post....