A tribute to the greatest

[Kid Achilles]

liston is basically an upgrade of louis, and foreman is too powerful for louis to handle.

Liston was slower and not as sharp with his punches so no I wouldn't call him an upgrade.

As for Foreman, well Max and Buddy Baer should have both been too powerful for Louis to handle and you know how those fights went. Foreman has a worse chin than Baer and much less stamina when things didn't go his way. Also if Lyle could hurt him with the right hand, Joe would KILL him with that punch.

[butterfly1964]

Liston was slower and not as sharp with his punches so no I wouldn't call him an upgrade.

As for Foreman, well Max and Buddy Baer should have both been too powerful for Louis to handle and you know how those fights went. Foreman has a worse chin than Baer and much less stamina when things didn't go his way. Also if Lyle could hurt him with the right hand, Joe would KILL him with that punch.

louis has just slighly faster hands than liston, and liston cuts off the ring better, has a much better chin, is stronger, more powerful and bigger than louis.

foreman has 10x the power that the baer's put together. foreman has one of the best chins in hw history, so shut your mouth! and foreman wasn't at his absolute prime when he fought lyle, and lyle is one of the most powerful punchers ever as well, it's just that he wasn't very skilled.

[Kid Achilles]

foreman has 10x the power that the baer's put together. foreman has one of the best chins in hw history, so shut your mouth! and foreman wasn't at his absolute prime when he fought lyle, and lyle is one of the most powerful punchers ever as well, it's just that he wasn't very skilled.

Actually Lyle's skills werent that bad when he wanted to box, but he wasn't the hitter than Louis or Max Baer was.

As far as Foreman having 10x the power of any heavyweight, that's ridiculous. If someone hit ten times as hard as say, Chris Byrd, they would literally crush skulls and cave in chests.

Baer and Foreman's right hands are pretty evenly matched if you look at them realistically (something you're incapable of doing but bear with me here), but Foreman had a harder left hook so I'll give you that.

Also.

Baer's chin > Foreman's chin.

[butterfly1964]

Actually Lyle's skills werent that bad when he wanted to box, but he wasn't the hitter than Louis or Max Baer was.

As far as Foreman having 10x the power of any heavyweight, that's ridiculous. If someone hit ten times as hard as say, Chris Byrd, they would literally crush skulls and cave in chests.

Baer and Foreman's right hands are pretty evenly matched if you look at them realistically (something you're incapable of doing but bear with me here), but Foreman had a harder left hook so I'll give you that.

Also.

Baer's chin > Foreman's chin.

i didn't mean actually ten times harder, i just meant alot harder, that's all. i'm pretty sure james freaking braddock a complete bum wouldn't last long with foreman, so from that i would say foreman punches harder than baer.

[Yogi]

james freaking braddock a complete bum

Man, you're an ignorant little **** sometimes, do you know that?

[butterfly1964]

Man, you're an ignorant little **** sometimes, do you know that?

the guy had half as many losses as he did wins. he was a bum, plain and simple.

[Yogi]

the guy had half as many losses as he did wins. he was a bum, plain and simple.

I don't give a **** what his W/L record looks like, because I know that "complete bums" don't defeat a few of the best Heavyweights of their day, win the most prestigious title in all of sports, or get enshrinement in both the IBHOF and WBHOF.

Braddock was the World's Heavyweight Championship for a time, and even though he may not be considered amongst the very best of that most prestigious group, there's still only been about 40 to 45 men who can lay claim to such an accomplishment. And I'll tell you straight up, Butterfly, there's not one single or "complete bum" in that group no matter who you care to name (whether it be Hart, Willard, Braddock, Carnera, Spinks, Johansson...whoever)...Not even ****ing close to one!

[sleazyfellow]

amen yogi, but when u compare hw champions its pretty obvious sum were way better than others...my least favs. r carnera and willard, but this is sorta like how sum ppl say ali cant punch...if he couldnt u think hed get as far as he did in boxing?? i think not. its just the standards have gone up over the years what ppl would call great.

[BKM-]

You're a ****ing idiot Butterfly.

[smasher]

I know that "complete bums" don't defeat a few of the best Heavyweights of their day, win the most prestigious title in all of sports,

I must disagree