Why do many (not all) people consider Earnie Shavers the hardest puncher of all time

[likeamulekick]

Logic would tell me to listen to the smart legendary fighters that faced some of the best punchers in history and had no reason to lie about someone they beat. Your logic is to count rounds? And that's more logical on assessing how hard some one hits. Tyson lands triple the amount of punches that shavers landed in a round. Not logical

Edit sorry reply to j..iopsi

[jiopsi]

Logic would tell me to listen to the smart legendary fighters that faced some of the best punchers in history and had no reason to lie about someone they beat. Your logic is to count rounds? And that's more logical on assessing how hard some one hits. Tyson lands triple the amount of punches that shavers landed in a round. Not logical

Edit sorry reply to j..iopsi

There's no logic in listening the legends, it's just that, listening legends like I said, they can say what ever they want, and the sample isn't very accurate.

Ali said Shavers hit hardest, so what he didn't fight Tyson so what does that tell? Holmes said? Shavers hit hardest, yet Shavers couldn't KO Holmes in two fights, when Tyson was only one to KO him, and in style, which could be translated on downplaying Tyson's performance and highlighting own.

That's why legends usually are full of bull**** because they usually just try to keep the legend alive.

[Sugarj]

Some years ago, I read an article in 'Boxing Monthly' about Earnie's later years when he worked as some kind of bouncer at an English pub.

According to the article, he was a well-liked guy at the place and never used violence against any customer who had had too much to drink. Instead, he chose trying to talk some sense into them.

He had become a very religious man by that point; very unwise letting that right hand loose on any drunk even when well retired!!! Ha ha

[New England]

Some years ago, I read an article in 'Boxing Monthly' about Earnie's later years when he worked as some kind of bouncer at an English pub.

According to the article, he was a well-liked guy at the place and never used violence against any customer who had had too much to drink. Instead, he chose trying to talk some sense into them.

it's easy to talk sense into drunk dudes when you punch harder than any man alive

[New England]

i don't think it's fair to call one man the hardest puncher all of all time. unless you're measuring objectively, like with a machine, it's a subjective assessment.


power is about perspective.




now, as others have said, the testimony of ali, that shavers was the hardest puncher he fought [he fought foreman and shavers,] and holmes saying the same [who fought shavers and tyson,] provides what we call "intersubjetivity."


there's an agreement.
when we seee shavers, that subjectivity [that he's the hardest puncher ever,] can seem agreeable to us.

it's like the peer review process for punchers.


i will say this; some guys are going to punch harder than others at specific points in their careers, in certain rounds ,from certain heights and distances, etc.

[Sugarj]

i don't think it's fair to call one man the hardest puncher all of all time. unless you're measuring objectively, like with a machine, it's a subjective assessment.


power is about perspective.




now, as others have said, the testimony of ali, that shavers was the hardest puncher he fought [he fought foreman and shavers,] and holmes saying the same [who fought shavers and tyson,] provides what we call "intersubjetivity."


there's an agreement.
when we seee shavers, that subjectivity [that he's the hardest puncher ever,] can seem agreeable to us.

it's like the peer review process for punchers.


i will say this; some guys are going to punch harder than others at specific points in their careers, in certain rounds ,from certain heights and distances, etc.

Good post......

[AlexKid]

it's easy to talk sense into drunk dudes when you punch harder than any man alive

lol he may as well have a gun pointed at their head because he can easily kill them with a single punch

[juggernaut666]

i don't think it's fair to call one man the hardest puncher all of all time. unless you're measuring objectively, like with a machine, it's a subjective assessment.


power is about perspective.




now, as others have said, the testimony of ali, that shavers was the hardest puncher he fought [he fought foreman and shavers,] and holmes saying the same [who fought shavers and tyson,] provides what we call "intersubjetivity."


there's an agreement.
when we seee shavers, that subjectivity [that he's the hardest puncher ever,] can seem agreeable to us.

it's like the peer review process for punchers.


i will say this; some guys are going to punch harder than others at specific points in their careers, in certain rounds ,from certain heights and distances, etc.

Hurting Ali at that point when Shavers fought him wouldn't be as difficult as when Frazier fought him ,and Holmes like many guys who beat him say he hit the hardest so i think it does take away some validity to it.Everything else you said was correct everyone thinks a punch is going to land the same it doesnt work like that ,looking at video soley idont see Shavers punches being stronger than for instance Tysons or others who had one punch k.o abilities when landing their A shot.

[young_robbed]

Hurting Ali at that point when Shavers fought him wouldn't be as difficult as when Frazier fought him ,and Holmes like many guys who beat him say he hit the hardest so i think it does take away some validity to it.Everything else you said was correct everyone thinks a punch is going to land the same it doesnt work like that ,looking at video soley idont see Shavers punches being stronger than for instance Tysons or others who had one punch k.o abilities when landing their A shot.

Tyson maybe didn't have as much raw power as Shavers, but he had much better technique, accuracy and speed to compliment his own bonecrushing power. So he was probably more devastating overall cause he was a better finisher than Shavers was.

[juggernaut666]

Tyson maybe didn't have as much raw power as Shavers, but he had much better technique, accuracy and speed to compliment his own bonecrushing power. So he was probably more devastating overall cause he was a better finisher than Shavers was.

You cannot take away speed and technique that is what constitutes making a punch stronger ...its like telling Usain Bolt you cannot jump of the start ,you have to wait a full second because you have an unfair advantage ...weve been over this ..lol