Why todays era is better than past eras. Discussion.

[Elroy1]

No it's not. It just is when it doesn't fit your argument. Not everyone from today is better than those of the past and vice versa. Some better, some not. I wasn't the one who brought up records. It was previously argued that track stars are better because they've shattered all previous records from the past. Yet nobody has broken that record. So by that logic presented, Louis is better.

Wladimir has utterly smashed Louis's record in "real" stats, calculated to exclude bums and cruisers- both of which Wladimir is really not allowed to fight.

Are you saying you would be sufficiently more impressed if Wladimir stopped fighting contenders and lined up 10 bums from the street or 20 cruisers and LHW's and KOed all of them to equal Louis's record?

Because that's what you are really implying is relevant here.

And I am telling you that in ANY comparison you necessarily at a MINIMUM must level the playing field.

Bum fights are meaningless

Sub-HW fights are meaningless when comparing to a modern HW boxers record

It's in fact YOU who doesn't like to swallow this fact because you are then forced to admit that..

(a) Most of Louis's opponents were bums, even for the THEN standard, and,
(b) Most of Louis's opponents were LHW's or Cruisers by the now standard,

And this is BEFORE we consider their objective lack of skills/conditioning which no doubt you'd also try to debate.

Louis's REAL successful title fights number only about 7. 7 non-bummy real HW's defeated which places him just in the top 10, again, neglecting any era differences (which further negate Louis).

On this basis we can still say that it is remarkable that Louis of 100 years ago could still rate so highly, but to claim guys like Ali, Holmes, LEwis, both Klitschko's haven't eclipsed him is bloody ridiculous!

[Anthony342]

No, I'm saying I would be more impressed if he continues to dominate and defended the Ring belt another 15 times, against top contenders which would truly break the record and also beat Wilder to unify the title in the process.

[Elroy1]

No, I'm saying I would be more impressed if he continues to dominate and defended the Ring belt another 15 times, against top contenders which would truly break the record and also beat Wilder to unify the title in the process.

I see,

so Louis got to fight Glass Joe 15 times more for his accolade but Wladimir needs to beat SuperMachoMan another 15 to be considered his equal in achievement.

By any realistic standard, Wladimir has already quadrupled his title record.

Any further Louis promotion here is pure nut baggery.

[sonnyboyx2]

I see,

so Louis got to fight Glass Joe 15 times more for his accolade but Wladimir needs to beat SuperMachoMan another 15 to be considered his equal in achievement.

By any realistic standard, Wladimir has already quadrupled his title record.

Any further Louis promotion here is pure nut baggery.

When i read Elroy1 comments... i kind of read them, while in my head i hear Rik Mayall off "The Young Ones Comedy Sketch" ~ reading them out for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul3U_J37YCc

[Anthony342]

HAHa nice.

[Anthony342]

I see,

so Louis got to fight Glass Joe 15 times more for his accolade but Wladimir needs to beat SuperMachoMan another 15 to be considered his equal in achievement.

By any realistic standard, Wladimir has already quadrupled his title record.

Any further Louis promotion here is pure nut baggery.

Must be fun to live in a world of denial, where logic doesn't exist and you can declare yourself the winner of every argument in which you guys are proven wrong.

There are too many idiots ****ting up this forum lately.

[Ray Corso]

There are too many idiots ****ting up this forum lately.................FACT! ha!

Bottom line is that theres been weak era's at heavyweight throughtout history. The Joe Louis era got weak quickly because the top ten guys couldn't be turned around because they didn't want it. The Marciano era was better because atleast we had Walcott and Charles to challenge Rocky with some experience and talent. Yes they were past prime but not that far except for Walcott 2, that was like watching Louis vs Rocky. Liston had a good run but again he had better fights coming up as opposed to title bouts. Ali's era was competitive and exciting because of Ali's style and personality along with quality opponents. I can't think of another fighter who was so hated then so loved by boxing fans AND the general public. He was THE most recognized face in the world.
The era was good right through to Holmes and into Tyson & Evander to Lewis.
It started to fall as good contenders began to not be as deep as in the past.
The current era is back to not having any interesting contenders to repeat against Wlad.
Tony Gallento tried to beat Louis but didn't have the goods, Jennings tried but didn't either the other Wlad opponents layed down and gave no effort to win. Their records were built on journeymen and decent guys far from prime.
Being 28-0 against C+ B- doesn't prepare you to "take the title"!
So weak era's come and go in all weight classes it's just more note worthy in the heavyweights.

Ray

[Scott9945]

Must be fun to live in a world of denial, where logic doesn't exist and you can declare yourself the winner of every argument in which you guys are proven wrong.

There are too many idiots ****ting up this forum lately.

So true. I'm trying to hang in there, but to be honest even NSB seems more appealing lately.

[juggernaut666]

When i read Elroy1 comments... i kind of read them, while in my head i hear Rik Mayall off "The Young Ones Comedy Sketch" ~ reading them out for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul3U_J37YCc

That's not saying much coming from a top 2 idiotic poster who claims Demspey k.os Lewis and in ONE round.....you are the last guy to be commenting on anyone really....

[juggernaut666]

No one has surpassed Joe Louis' 25 lineal/undisputed title defenses. Wlad still needs the WBC belt to be undisputed and has 11 lineal defenses, but looks to be getting to the end of his career. Ali still has the record of winning the lineal heavyweight title 3 times. Holyfield won it twice, along with IBF 3 times and WBA 4 times. A quick Google search tells me a boxer named Lamar Clark has the most consecutive knockouts, although I could see Golovkin or Kovalev possibly breaking that. Chavez will probably be the last to retire with over 100 wins for a long time, unless another fighter stays as busy, most likely not an American. My point is not all records are easily broken in boxing, like in track or swimming. Hell, even with PEDs, it still took a while for someone to hit more than 61 homers in a season and Hack Wilson still holds the single season RBI record with something like 190 and Joe Dimaggio still has the hitting streak record. Just goes to show, even with better athletes today, not all records are so easy to break.

Louis didn't have the politics in his way,in his time there werent an alphabet soup of titles with 4 commissions and so on...its not Wlads Fault Vitali held it and guys like Stiverne under King wouldn't fight Wlad......Wlads opponents in contrast weigh over Louis's. The bottom line is Wlad fought the best guys so far ,the only guy missing is Fury at the moment and we all know what will most likely happen next week...today its the opponents that matter not what belt you have......you also have to remember Louis fought more frequently.



Wilder is a perfect example of another foot dragger.


Theres really only a select few just at watching them the first 5 minutes and I can see a different type of fighter....they were Tyson/ Klitchkos/ Lewis and Joshua. Those are the only guys I need not look at longer than 3 minutes and say theres your future champ. I can tell you now ,barring Wlad sionce he may or not be around.....it will come down to Joshua or Arias as the new dominant champion .