Willie Pep considered greater than Sandy Saddler...

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actually they fought 4 times i believe and saddler knocked him out 3 times.just look at their records.sure pep had alot more wins he fought alot more.but to be great you have to do more than one thing well.pep couldnt punch and i believe his chin wasnt that great either.you may say look at how many times he won he must of had a great chin.no his deffense was so great he was rarely hit hard to the chin.pep was great.but saddler was better and like i said beat him 3 out of the 4 times they fought

did you read the second post in the thread?

well go and read it

maybe you can get some relevant info you seem to forego

and if you look at their records you also might want to notice that saddler is 4 years year younger and naturally bigger and had 40 less fights when they met, so it's not like they met prime for prime and pound for pound. Also on the record of pep there is a 6month layoff, guess why?

these are the reasons why even if the record says pep 1 saddler 3, pep is ranked higher.

do you rate dlh higher than chavez?
tarver higher than jones?
and so on

[lmnorw]

lol kid the point is he beat him.thats the bottem line.they fought and saddler kicked his ass..how much more can one boxer do to prove he is better than another boxer?pep couldnt punch period just look at the records so he would of never been able to keep saddler off of him so he would always be ko'd.saddler is better than pep period

[Kid Achilles]

Andrew Golota kicked the **** out of Bowe both times they fought so I guess he will go down in history as the better fighter right?

Rahman and Lewis are 1-1 so they must be equals right?

Buster Douglas kicked the crap out of Tyson so he's obviously the better all around HW, huh?

Yeah, that logic works real well dip****. Trying to compare two boxers solely on the few fights they had against one another and ignoring what they accomplished in their careers makes a lot of sense dosen't it?

[Shaolin Bushido]

...., why? Considering Saddler knocked him out twice. Is it just a case of styles making fights? Did Saddler just have Pep's number, or is there more to it. I see Pep's name on a lot of all time p4p lists, but Saddler never shows up.

Pep continued his career after a terrible crash and still did well despite not matching his earlier pep(couldn't help it). Sadler wasn't pretty but he enjoyed the reach height and power of a Hearns so he was just a beast in there. Often happens that folks choose the guy they perceive as the "little guy" and who displays the savvy heart and success despite all odds.

I think I'd rate Sadler ahead of him but I've seen convincing arguments for Pep.

[Shaolin Bushido]

did you read the second post in the thread?


and so on

oops, I didn't til too late. Carry on.

[lmnorw]

lol skill wise douglas is better than tyson and golata had better skills than bowe.so my logic holds up ball licker.and like i said ass licker i dont care how much older pep was the man couldnt punch a damn..so he could never keep pep off of him.ohh and when did lewis become something special?since he beat a washed up tyson and had to run like a ***** to beat a old shot holyfield?yeah a old holyfield was great wasnt he?i know he would knock out a prime foreman ali and frazier in the same night..lewis is so great he is the only heavyweight champion to get knocked out 2 times by one punch.wait ali got knocked out 5 times by one punch and foreman got knocked out so many times i cant even count them..yeah you sure know your boxing dont you cum swallower?so gay that even after i asked you to stop replying to my post you still do it..damn i am so cool i got gay white boys on aol sweating me

[Kid Achilles]

You never had any logic to begin with, so no it doesn't "hold up" you silly little ****wad. On top of that your recent reponse doesn't even make any sense. Whether or not you think Lewis was a great fighter, the fact remains he was a hell of a lot better than Rahman regardless if they are 1-1. You can't just rely on head to head matchups to rate fighters because for one, styles make fights, and two, there are other factors that you're not taking into consideration. Bowe was not at peak condition when he fought Golota. He let himself balloon up to 300 lbs and paid for it when he had to drop the weight quick. Lewis was out of shape when he got KO'ed by Rahman. He had been off partying with movie stars instead of training.

Tyson had much more talent and skill than Douglas but Douglas was inspired by the death of his mother, fought the fight of his life and Tyson was not prepared for the challenges an inspired Buster presented. He was training to beat a big fat nobody. He had been dropped by Greg friggin Page in training camp. That gives you an idea of the state of preparation he was in at the time. That fact that James beat Mike once doesn't make Douglas the better fighter. Even if they rematched again and Douglas somehow found a way to win once more, it still wouldn't. I don't care if they fought even a third time and Douglas beat him yet again. Mike Tyson was still a better fighter overall than Buster Duoglas. He had a better resume and exhibited greater talent and yes, greater skill as well. Your argument is flawed, be a man and face it.

Then again, a little sniveling ***** like yourself who starts **** on an internet forum can't be expected to know much about manhood.

[cple]

All of their meetings took place after Pep was in a fear fatal accident, which left doctors doubting his ability to walk, let alone fight. You HAVE to take this into account. Pep was nowhere near his peak. Hell, i can probably beat Ali in a fight right now. Doesn't mean i can beat him in his prime.

Still, Pep was able to fend off Saddler in their rematch, which many regard as the best featherweight bout of all-time. True, Saddler did stop Pep three out of four times, and i don't for a second doubt that he would give a prime Pep a hard time. However, Pep has shown he can compete and beat Saddler, even at less than peak condition. Which leads me to believe that he can do much better in his prime.

[wmute]

All of their meetings took place after Pep was in a fear fatal accident, which left doctors doubting his ability to walk, let alone fight. You HAVE to take this into account. Pep was nowhere near his peak. Hell, i can probably beat Ali in a fight right now. Doesn't mean i can beat him in his prime.

Still, Pep was able to fend off Saddler in their rematch, which many regard as the best featherweight bout of all-time. True, Saddler did stop Pep three out of four times, and i don't for a second doubt that he would give a prime Pep a hard time. However, Pep has shown he can compete and beat Saddler, even at less than peak condition. Which leads me to believe that he can do much better in his prime.

don't waste your time and good use of logic, we all agree, except for one person who doesnt want to (or cant) read other people posts.

[J !]

lol skill wise douglas is better than tyson and golata had better skills than bowe.so my logic holds up ball licker.and like i said ass licker i dont care how much older pep was the man couldnt punch a damn..so he could never keep pep off of him.ohh and when did lewis become something special?since he beat a washed up tyson and had to run like a ***** to beat a old shot holyfield?yeah a old holyfield was great wasnt he?i know he would knock out a prime foreman ali and frazier in the same night..lewis is so great he is the only heavyweight champion to get knocked out 2 times by one punch.wait ali got knocked out 5 times by one punch and foreman got knocked out so many times i cant even count them..yeah you sure know your boxing dont you cum swallower?so gay that even after i asked you to stop replying to my post you still do it..damn i am so cool i got gay white boys on aol sweating me

SORRY MATE BUT YOU KNOW ****ING NOTHING.

SO BY YOUR LOGIC WHOMEVER BEAT SADDLER IS THE BEST OF ALL TIME?
NONSENSE. OTHERWISE WE WOULD BE DISCUSING CHICO ROSE OR HUMBERTO SIERRA.

but we arent and they arent the best, Pep is.
Now if you wish to be adult and stop being a **** about it you may learn something.
PEP IS UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED AS THE BEST FEATHER OF ALL TIME AND IN FACT TOP 5 P4P. (in fact some say the best)

by who have forgotten more about boxing than you will ever know.


edit thought id add my top ten feathers
1. Willie Pep
2. Sandy Saddler
3. Salvadore Sanchez
4. Azumah Nelson
5. Henry Armstrong
6. Eusebio Pedroza
7. Abe Attell
8. Alexis Arguello
10.marco Barerra
10.eric Morales

Cant Split Em / Mab their legends are entwined..

Prior to his first fight with Saddler, Pep was 137-1.

****in 137-1.

u go figure .
Also i dont like racist ****phobic comments so watch your mouth.

now if you dont mind ive got some fights to go to and report on.