my top 35 heavyweights of all time

[Yogi]

tell me what's wrong with it?

I could either do that, or...I could save the skin from coming off of my finger tips, and instead tell you that your list is just about perfect.

[BKM-]

Nope sorry...I don't believe you, Butterfly, because your list is/was obviously a joke.

Ahahahaha funny mofo.

[butterfly1964]

I could either do that, or...I could save the skin from coming off of my finger tips, and instead tell you that your list is just about perfect.

no, tell me what's wrong with it, in terms of head-to-head matchups.

[BKM-]

Butterfly, he's ****ing with you.


Anyways, your list is not the worst i guess. Only thing i don't agree with is Liston at #2.

[Yogi]

Anyways, your list is not the worst i guess.

I disagree.

[SuzieQ49]

No argument with the second half of your post; the first half is a little debateable.

actually its not even close. louis defintley beat better competition than holmes. he beat better quality and quantity.

if u would like to debate it with me, lets do it

[butterfly1964]

I disagree.

tell me what's wrong with it.

[SuzieQ49]

just remember, in all close/controversial fights, louis ALWAYS gave rematches and in the 2nd go round, HE DOMINATED leaving no question marks. SOMETHING HOLMES NEVER DID(ala norton, spoon, williams, and even weaver). He beat norton,williams, spoon controversial close decions, and HE NEVER GAVE THEM REMATCHES.

[K-DOGG]

actually its not even close. louis defintley beat better competition than holmes. he beat better quality and quantity.

if u would like to debate it with me, lets do it

I'm not dissing Louis' chanmpionship competition, I just think Holmes's is underrated. He beat four men (Berbick, Weaver, Witherspoon, & Smith) who went on to win paper titles and beat good competition. Not to mention Snipes, Cooney, Spoon, & Williams were young up and comers when Holmes outsmarted them. The 80's were loaded with talent, the problem was motivation.

Louis ruled from 1937-1948; but had four years away from serious competition due to his service in WWII. His biggest tests as champion were Farr, Schmeling, Conn, Godoy, Nova, Mauriello (impressive win, btw...loved seing him comeback and turn it around withing 3 minutes), and Walcott.

I think the competition is about even and it could be argued Holmes has a slight edge in that department; but I still rank Louis second and Holmes third because Louis edged out Holmes in high calibre competition in pre-title fights.

[smasher]

just remember, in all close/controversial fights, louis ALWAYS gave rematches and in the 2nd go round, HE DOMINATED leaving no question marks. SOMETHING HOLMES NEVER DID(ala norton, spoon, williams, and even weaver). He beat norton,williams, spoon controversial close decions, and HE NEVER GAVE THEM REMATCHES.

Holmes also never fought Michael Dokes or Greg Page, two of the more talented heavyweights fighting during the Holmes era.

Then again outside of a legally blind light-heavyweight (John Henry Lewis) Louis only fought one black heavyweight (Walcott) during his 12 year reign. Interesting how Jeffries, Johnson and Dempsey are criticized for drawing the color line and Louis whose reign was much longer and active than those three isn't...