Who got their legs into a punch the most in boxing history?

[AlexKid]

excellent footage from the boss thanks bro!!

Beautiful!

[billeau2]

Thank you, also why is it so rarely used, I mean people (except you) are really struggling to find examples of people that did it, and no one seem to use it to a great extent, more they just get a little bit of leg into it, not many people have their rear leg in an L position/right angle when throwing the straight right for example they just bend the leg a little e.g. marciano.

It isn't rare it just isn't always obvious. Any strong punch has to pivot starting from the toes which push, then the legs which can sink a bit, turn a bit, then the spine turns and finally the shoulders which snap into a semi circle from the spinal rotation.

But in this sequence there are allllll kinds of little things that suck power away, or increase power. Starting with the legs, if one turns the knees too far, then the effect is to subtract from the structural integrity of the body and to collapse the hip joint. if the person is moving, the step taken must also be done on impact....if not more energy is lost, going into the ground not the opponent.

Then onwards to the hips, if the hips turn too much, the distance and projection of force can cause a loss of power, for example if I aim my punch 3 inches past my center line and have to reach....or am jammed up.

Finally to the shoulders where any tension in the arms will cause a bottleneck. If the head sinks too far fowards or backwards that subtracts from the impact (impact- weight of head). If the elbows bow too far outwards it causes power lost on impact because instead of the arm reinforcing structure it bends and the force is lost by the arm collapsing. And then the wrist and hand must be tight in impact but if held tight before, impact will bottleneck at the point of delivery.

Whether a punch is circular like a hook or straight these same dynamics apply. As a matter of fact a hook should turn in its distal rotation of the arm and its rotation of the hand at the last moment to be untelegraphed.....Because.......the power always comes from the body base, not the arm! Your simply changing the angle of the punch by rotation of the arm and hand.

Now virtually every fighter has some of these foibles, but it should make one appreciate a punching virtuosa because of all the things that have to hppen correctly for a proper punch to land. Every fighter has to be able to hit with the body to one degree or another. A guy like Mayweather can be distinguished because of his perfect elbow placement if his punches....they are as straight as Plato's archetypical 0 dgree angled line!! meanwhile a guy like Madanna throws very wide so he can put his body into his punches but of course his punches are telegraphed when he does this. Roy Jones, by leaping in with his hook hides the punch with his body movement. And a great hooker like Frazier of chavez turn that punch over from a crouch at the very last moment so the opponent sees a shoulder coming towards them on one side and, before the opponent can pick up the other shoulder the punch has been delivered. This is done by turning the hand properly.

So I guess what I would say brother alex is that all punches have the body used to one degree or another and all fighters approximate perfect punch dynamics to one degree or another.....The reason why people like Ray Corso rave about fighters like Joe Louis is because when one understands the art and practice of punching with really good form, when bodies are moving, hands defending....when there are so many things along the punching line that can go wrong... one can see how great some fighters really were/are.

I still practice my punching form after teaching martial arts for over 35 years and often see major snafus when delivering strikes

[AlexKid]

It isn't rare it just isn't always obvious. Any strong punch has to pivot starting from the toes which push, then the legs which can sink a bit, turn a bit, then the spine turns and finally the shoulders which snap into a semi circle from the spinal rotation.

But in this sequence there are allllll kinds of little things that suck power away, or increase power. Starting with the legs, if one turns the knees too far, then the effect is to subtract from the structural integrity of the body and to collapse the hip joint. if the person is moving, the step taken must also be done on impact....if not more energy is lost, going into the ground not the opponent.

Then onwards to the hips, if the hips turn too much, the distance and projection of force can cause a loss of power, for example if I aim my punch 3 inches past my center line and have to reach....or am jammed up.

Finally to the shoulders where any tension in the arms will cause a bottleneck. If the head sinks too far fowards or backwards that subtracts from the impact (impact- weight of head). If the elbows bow too far outwards it causes power lost on impact because instead of the arm reinforcing structure it bends and the force is lost by the arm collapsing. And then the wrist and hand must be tight in impact but if held tight before, impact will bottleneck at the point of delivery.

Whether a punch is circular like a hook or straight these same dynamics apply. As a matter of fact a hook should turn in its distal rotation of the arm and its rotation of the hand at the last moment to be untelegraphed.....Because.......the power always comes from the body base, not the arm! Your simply changing the angle of the punch by rotation of the arm and hand.

Now virtually every fighter has some of these foibles, but it should make one appreciate a punching virtuosa because of all the things that have to hppen correctly for a proper punch to land. Every fighter has to be able to hit with the body to one degree or another. A guy like Mayweather can be distinguished because of his perfect elbow placement if his punches....they are as straight as Plato's archetypical 0 dgree angled line!! meanwhile a guy like Madanna throws very wide so he can put his body into his punches but of course his punches are telegraphed when he does this. Roy Jones, by leaping in with his hook hides the punch with his body movement. And a great hooker like Frazier of chavez turn that punch over from a crouch at the very last moment so the opponent sees a shoulder coming towards them on one side and, before the opponent can pick up the other shoulder the punch has been delivered. This is done by turning the hand properly.

So I guess what I would say brother alex is that all punches have the body used to one degree or another and all fighters approximate perfect punch dynamics to one degree or another.....The reason why people like Ray Corso rave about fighters like Joe Louis is because when one understands the art and practice of punching with really good form, when bodies are moving, hands defending....when there are so many things along the punching line that can go wrong... one can see how great some fighters really were/are.

I still practice my punching form after teaching martial arts for over 35 years and often see major snafus when delivering strikes

awesome thanks brother!!

I really appreciate you taking the time to write such a detailed answer it was a fascinating read!!

10/10

[AlexKid]

thanks to everyone that answered this!