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  • Boxers In Street Fights

    How good are boxers when it comes to street fights?

    The reason for the thread is that sometimes we get kind of disrespectful when talking about boxers who lost, etc. I am guilty of it myself.

    Do not think that Doyle Brunson would not kill your home poker game if he wanted to. You would not have any furniture left if Doyle was playing seriously.

    It is the same with any sport. Willie Shoemaker could ride a horse backwards and beat your cousin who likes horses.

    In the old days this was more pronounced. There was no MMA. The only people doing martial arts had too much discipline to get in street fights.

    We had a family owned bar. I have seen a lot of street fights between guys who wanted to prove they were tough against guys who had once done a little boxing. The boxers always win easily unless there is a physical mismatch.

    Folks, street fighters cannot hit experienced boxers. I saw a featherweight who grew up in his dad's gym and had done some amateur fighting knock out a six foot seven gorilla who liked to fight when he got drunk. I was in a band with the gorilla. He could sing like a bird, but thought because he was 6'7" he was supposed to be tough, too. He was beefy, not skinny.

    The featherweight hit him about a dozen times before he knew what was up. He said it didn't hurt him that much, but just humiliated and enraged him.

    The police found R lying in the mud. He wasn't really KO'd, but his face sure was messed up. At one point he had gotten a hold of the featherweight's arm and given him a drunken fling into a lumber pile. While feeling his own face for damage, and swearing drunkenly, he fell down again. That's where the cops found him. He had never landed a punch.

    The funny part was in court. The judge asked R if he wanted the featherweight to pay his medical expenses. R was humiliated that he even had any. No, he told the judge. Then the judge asked the featherweight, and he said yes. R jumped back in, now wanting his own expenses. The judge told him it was too late. R ended up paying his own costs and for the guys wrist.

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    Without gloves and wraps there is a danger of injuring the hands. Look at Mike Tyson's street fight with Mitch Green.

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    • #3
      Couple of guys I would not want to see in a dark ally:

      Current fighters Hopkins, Salido, Miadanna, Bika, Bradley(head butts),Soto-Karras, Angulo, Kirkland, Rios, Mathyesse, & David Haye.
      Former fighters: Tyson, Holyifield(head butts)Andrew Golota,(low blows) Duran, Chavez Sr.,
      Mickey Ward(his chin), Chuck Wepner, Ernie Shavers, Tex Cobb(chin),Oliver McCall, Greg Haugen, Aaron Pryor, James Scott, Ron Lyle, George Foreman,Joel Casamayor(just dirty), Esubio Padrosa(dirty),James "Hardrock" Green, Tony Ailaya, & an old Jake Lamotta(never knocked down, or KTFO)..

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post
        Without gloves and wraps there is a danger of injuring the hands. Look at Mike Tyson's street fight with Mitch Green.
        They never learned to punch without protection. You have to hit a man with your first two knuckles only, at least they have to take most of the impact. If you hit someone's face with your pinky and ring finger knuckles you are going to kill your hand in a street fight. It will hurt like a horse stepped on your mitt and would not get off. This is something that gaurantees bare knuckle fighters did not swing as hard as modern fighters. They had to pick their shots very carefully. If someone cracked John L. Sullivan in the top of the head, the fight is over.

        Hitting someone with your middle knuckles instead of the fist knuckle is horriffically painful too.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by H.B.Viper View Post
          Current fighters Hopkins, Salido, Miadanna, Bika, Bradley(head butts),Soto-Karras, Angulo, Kirkland, Rios, Mathyesse, & David Haye.
          Former fighters: Tyson, Holyifield(head butts)Andrew Golota,(low blows) Duran, Chavez Sr.,
          Mickey Ward(his chin), Chuck Wepner, Ernie Shavers, Tex Cobb(chin),Oliver McCall, Greg Haugen, Aaron Pryor, James Scott, Ron Lyle, George Foreman,Joel Casamayor(just dirty), Esubio Padrosa(dirty),James "Hardrock" Green, Tony Ailaya, & an old Jake Lamotta(never knocked down, or KTFO)..
          It does not take fighters of this caliber, is my point. The club fighters they beat up in their first fights would also clean out the bar. There is a huge difference between being tough and knowing how to fight.

          Even a crude professional fighter who seems to have no class at all, but has a lot of professional experience, is bad news for the bar fighter who wants to standup fight.

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          • #6
            I had only like 20am fights. Nothing special but i was a competent fighter. About 20 or so street fights. Won nearly all of them and I'm like 5''8 165. Had most of my street fights out of shape and weighing like 140-150. Boxing isn't always gonna get you the win but it sure as hell helps.

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            • #7
              Mike was lucky Mitch was drugged up.If not, that would have been a scary, negative proposition for him, especially a younger, meaner Green.

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              • #8
                Today david Haye would definitely be scary, with his speed and counter punch mentality but his legs seem like his weak spot and I think a few rare bouncers could probably take him to the floor. Fighters from the past, id say tommy Morrison, his chin would be at stake in a bare knuckle fight but I highly doubt any civilian tough guy would land first against Morrison, plus he was physically very strong, had good timing and the right mentality. Any speedy counter puncher or explosive boxers (Ruddock, Tyson, Julian Jackson, Benn...)

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                • #9
                  Your average Joe should want NO PART of any competent professional fighter (mma or boxing)....Emphasis on "Average Joe"...of course there are individuals with no structured training that could hold their own against anyone but they are the exception, not the rule....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post
                    They never learned to punch without protection. You have to hit a man with your first two knuckles only, at least they have to take most of the impact. If you hit someone's face with your pinky and ring finger knuckles you are going to kill your hand in a street fight. It will hurt like a horse stepped on your mitt and would not get off. This is something that gaurantees bare knuckle fighters did not swing as hard as modern fighters. They had to pick their shots very carefully. If someone cracked John L. Sullivan in the top of the head, the fight is over.

                    Hitting someone with your middle knuckles instead of the fist knuckle is horriffically painful too.

                    A professional boxer knows how to punch with or without protection. They also know how to keep their thumbs in and which knuckles to punch with. I've heard a lot of them talk about that.


                    A professional boxer against the average person on the street has a huge advantage. They punch and hurt people for a living and the average person on the street has very little to no chance of winning.
                    Last edited by joseph5620; 01-30-2015, 01:54 AM.

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