Lewis vs Bowe 93 i found this article

[Galileo]

Bowe and his team really blew it. This was prime time for Lewis chin smashing as he had yet to learn the finer arts of safety first boxing to protect his mandible.

Yes i agree 100% with you. Bowe and his team blew it big style by publicly dumping the WBC belt. They said, "UP YOU" to the WBC who was about to strip him of their belt. But it looked like Bowe was afraid of Lewis by doing it.

[billeau2]

You really are a Lewis fanboy. What is forgotten in the Bowe vs Lewis saga is Rid**** Bowe was "undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World"... can you imagine Amir Khan turning down $10 million to fight Floyd Mayweather (22yrs later)?.. can you imagine Khan demanding a 50/50 purse split with Mayweather? .. can you imagine Khan demanding options on Floyd's next 3 fights, should he lose?.. Floyd ain't even the "Undisputed Champion"... What Lennox and his team done was, "They Priced Themselves Out" knowing Bowe would be stripped of the WBC belt... The Lewis team had watched the undefeated Bowe "Hammer" a peak Evander Holyfield and they wanted no part of him. The Duva's, who managed and promoted Holyfield, throughout his career up to that point, also knew that Rid**** Bowe was "Not to be messed with".. Lewis and his team, along with the Duva's wanted nothing whatsoever to do with Rid**** Bowe in the early to mid-1990s..

The New York Post has always been one of the top sources of information in the world. Along with The Times of London, The New York Post is second to none. Over the years the paper has employed some of the greatest Boxing writers of all times. Jimmy Cannon, Lester Bromberg, Jack Hirsch and the legendary Red Smith spring to mind. For you to rubbish the paper and it's information is `Laughable`.. to claim it as a "Sensationalist story with pictures" makes you seem as if the truth is hurting you.

from 1992 to 1996 Rid**** Bowe was "The Best Heavyweight on Earth".. Lennox Lewis had beaten Razor Ruddock who was `Damaged Goods` after two brutal beatings from Mike Tyson. Ruddock had his jaw and check-bone broken.. Lewis then out-pointed reformed drug addict Tony Tucker in a very lackluster performance. Then he came from behind to halt Frank Bruno in another lackluster performance. Lewis day's as a Champion was then over as he got poleaxed by journeyman Oliver McCall in less than 2rds.. Why would any top level fighter in the world at that period in time "be afraid to fight Lennox Lewis"...Why would Lennox Lewis deserve a 50/50 split, or options, or any other kind of multi-million dollar purse?... The bottom line is, Lennox and his team made sure they never fought a single top level fighter of that period 92-96 who was "At The Top of his Game".. The newspaper archives of that period, papers like The New York Post, The Telegraph, The Times etc, are full of articles telling of how Lewis turned down multi-million dollar offers.

A) You used this source to support your argument, I didn't! I simply asked if you read it because your source cited the problem as essentially being because of Duva.

B) The post is most certainly NOT one of the top papers in the world! That is just BS.

C) You call me a Lewis fanboy for being objective while you painfully (painful for those of us who have to watch) try to make every machination, every event, an excuse to pillory Lewis and build up Bowe. The fact is the actual events tell a very different story. Thats a fact. And fanboy or not, even Lewis' harshest critics would have a hard time calling him a ducker. Some people claim he ducked Vitali but even they have to concede he beat Vitali.

You know **** about the details of any offers to Lewis. There is a lot more to a contract than simply a number. And keep in mind that if Lewis did take a better deal knowing he could negotiate in the future with Bowe, that is not untoward... thats called being smart. Tell me this, what scrub, what unpopular fighter did lewis fight instead of Bowe? Holyfield? I guess Lewis could predict the future also and see that Bowe would soon self destruct.

Your time line is also off. But thats another issue altogether.

basically you want to rubbish Lewis and in trying to do so you look like a fool. And calling the Post a first rate paper is laughable.

[Galileo]

A) You used this source to support your argument, I didn't! I simply asked if you read it because your source cited the problem as essentially being because of Duva.

B) The post is most certainly NOT one of the top papers in the world! That is just BS.

C) You call me a Lewis fanboy for being objective while you painfully (painful for those of us who have to watch) try to make every machination, every event, an excuse to pillory Lewis and build up Bowe. The fact is the actual events tell a very different story. Thats a fact. And fanboy or not, even Lewis' harshest critics would have a hard time calling him a ducker. Some people claim he ducked Vitali but even they have to concede he beat Vitali.

You know **** about the details of any offers to Lewis. There is a lot more to a contract than simply a number. And keep in mind that if Lewis did take a better deal knowing he could negotiate in the future with Bowe, that is not untoward... thats called being smart. Tell me this, what scrub, what unpopular fighter did lewis fight instead of Bowe? Holyfield? I guess Lewis could predict the future also and see that Bowe would soon self destruct.

Your time line is also off. But thats another issue altogether.

basically you want to rubbish Lewis and in trying to do so you look like a fool. And calling the Post a first rate paper is laughable.

1/. You claiming The New York Post as not one of the top news outlets is laughable.
2/. Yes i read it.
3/. yes i am calling Lewis a "Ducker".. Lewis was stripped of every version of the Heavyweight Title for refusing (ducking) the No1 contenders.

Your claiming Lewis took a better deal rather than the Bowe deal, knowing he could deal in the future?... what better deal did Lewis take? Tucker, Bruno, Jackson, McCall ????

You ask me, "what scrub, unpopular fighter did Lewis fight instead of Bowe"
Answer: every fighter Lewis ever fought from 93-03

Your now claiming Lewis was some kind of `SEER` a prophet who professes supernatural powers, who can supposedly see into the future?.. was able to see how Bowe's life was destined to unfold?

Your claiming i am wanting to "Rubbish Lewis" - far from it, i am only taking a look at an article from his camps discussions with then undisputed heavyweight champion of the world Rid**** Bowe.. it is my opinion that Lewis and his team "Priced Themselves Out" of fighting Bowe, knowing Bowe would be stripped of the WBC Belt.

Yes, i think of The New York Post as a first rate newspaper.

[billeau2]

1/. You claiming The New York Post as not one of the top news outlets is laughable.
2/. Yes i read it.
3/. yes i am calling Lewis a "Ducker".. Lewis was stripped of every version of the Heavyweight Title for refusing (ducking) the No1 contenders.

Your claiming Lewis took a better deal rather than the Bowe deal, knowing he could deal in the future?... what better deal did Lewis take? Tucker, Bruno, Jackson, McCall ????

You ask me, "what scrub, unpopular fighter did Lewis fight instead of Bowe"
Answer: every fighter Lewis ever fought from 93-03

Your now claiming Lewis was some kind of `SEER` a prophet who professes supernatural powers, who can supposedly see into the future?.. was able to see how Bowe's life was destined to unfold?

Your claiming i am wanting to "Rubbish Lewis" - far from it, i am only taking a look at an article from his camps discussions with then undisputed heavyweight champion of the world Rid**** Bowe.. it is my opinion that Lewis and his team "Priced Themselves Out" of fighting Bowe, knowing Bowe would be stripped of the WBC Belt.

Yes, i think of The New York Post as a first rate newspaper.

Your reading comprehension is about 5th grade. It kind of makes it impossible to argue with you because you cannot read the rebuttals correctly. No wonder you like the Post!

I was being sarcastic about Lewis, my point was that he had no way, vis a vis hardly a seer....of knowing he would not have a chance to fight Bowe at a later time. You get it?

Your argument about Lewis' comp is absurd, you have a big chip on your shoulder regarding Lewis. Next no doubt you will accuse me of rubbishing Bowe....So in anticipation let me say: READ my rebuttals for a change ok? slowly.....You will perhaps come to understand I have no intention of casting aspersions on Bowe....

now go read the Post and circle the big words for further reference....if you can find any!

[Galileo]

Your reading comprehension is about 5th grade. It kind of makes it impossible to argue with you because you cannot read the rebuttals correctly. No wonder you like the Post!

I was being sarcastic about Lewis, my point was that he had no way, vis a vis hardly a seer....of knowing he would not have a chance to fight Bowe at a later time. You get it?

Your argument about Lewis' comp is absurd, you have a big chip on your shoulder regarding Lewis. Next no doubt you will accuse me of rubbishing Bowe....So in anticipation let me say: READ my rebuttals for a change ok? slowly.....You will perhaps come to understand I have no intention of casting aspersions on Bowe....

now go read the Post and circle the big words for further reference....if you can find any!

Ok The Post obviously annoys you, so what about this info? whats your take on this?

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...ewman-dan-duva

[billeau2]

Ok The Post obviously annoys you, so what about this info? whats your take on this?

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...ewman-dan-duva

Here is a block of text from that article:

[B]Bowe had trashed the belt earlier, refusing WBC president Jose Sulaiman's ultimatum to make Lewis his first title defense after winning the undisputed crown from Evander Holyfield last November.

"This time we're not even asking that," Newman said. "We're going to cut the WBC out entirely. This will be only for the IBF and WBA titles. Lewis can keep the WBC belt, and do whatever he wants with it."

But the biggest stumbling block in reaching an agreement remains Duva, who has a three-fight option on Bowe, giving him a percentage of his pay-per-view earnings.[B]

Read it car-e-ful-lly

This is your source keep that in mind.

What do you make of this?

[Galileo]

Here is a block of text from that article:

[B]Bowe had trashed the belt earlier, refusing WBC president Jose Sulaiman's ultimatum to make Lewis his first title defense after winning the undisputed crown from Evander Holyfield last November.

"This time we're not even asking that," Newman said. "We're going to cut the WBC out entirely. This will be only for the IBF and WBA titles. Lewis can keep the WBC belt, and do whatever he wants with it."

But the biggest stumbling block in reaching an agreement remains Duva, who has a three-fight option on Bowe, giving him a percentage of his pay-per-view earnings.[B]

Read it car-e-ful-lly

This is your source keep that in mind.

What do you make of this?

what do i make of it... The Duva's were advising Lewis at that period in time.

$12 million was more than Lewis entire career earnings up to that point in time. Boxing is a business, why would Lewis team turn that kind of offer down if they truely fancied their man could beat Bowe?.... The Lewis team wanted nothing whatsoever to do with any top rated fighters during the 1990s.

[Galileo]

Lewis avoided almost every top Heavyweight during the 1990s who was "At The Top of his Game" Bowe 93 & 95, Sanders 94-98,Foreman 05, Hide 94-96 Moorer 95-96, Witherspoon (who was on a roll)93-95,
Tyson 96, Ruiz 98-01, Byrd 99-02, Wlad 98-03

Lewis avoided all the above fighters, All of who held versions of the Heavyweight Titles during the 1990s. regardless of whether you think Lewis would beat those fighters or not. Lewis chose instead to fight: Akinwande, Morrison (HIV), Grant, Golota, Mavrovick, Fortune, Jackson, Bruno, Tucker, Tua, Briggs - all had been exposed or defeated prior to fighting Lewis. with many on the downside of their career's and very little to offer compared to the list of fighters above.. Not one of the fighters above proved to be a Class A fighter.

Lennox Lewis team knew he was susceptible to punches, so avoided all the Top Fighters of that period. To put into perspective just how poor Lewis ability to take a punch was. Both Hasim Rahman & Oliver McCall two journeymen fighters, never replicated another knocked out during their entire career's, like they did the night they poleaxed Lewis.

Rid**** Bowe of 1993 would have had little trouble taking care of Lennox Lewis. The Duva's and team Lewis knew as much.

[billeau2]

what do i make of it... The Duva's were advising Lewis at that period in time.

$12 million was more than Lewis entire career earnings up to that point in time. Boxing is a business, why would Lewis team turn that kind of offer down if they truely fancied their man could beat Bowe?.... The Lewis team wanted nothing whatsoever to do with any top rated fighters during the 1990s.

According to your source Duva was in some capacity managing Lewis and was the reason for the "stumbling block" not Lewis. Also its worth noting that at this point again...according to your source Bowe had already acted to sabatoge the fight because this proposal came after the incident where Bowe threw the belt away.

Again....This is according to your source which quotes Newman who was Bowe's guy who put out the proposal...

I don't claim to know what happened during negotiations but I am going by material you seem to think supports your hate for lewis when in fact it doesn't.

[billeau2]

Lewis avoided almost every top Heavyweight during the 1990s who was "At The Top of his Game" Bowe 93 & 95, Sanders 94-98,Foreman 05, Hide 94-96 Moorer 95-96, Witherspoon (who was on a roll)93-95,
Tyson 96, Ruiz 98-01, Byrd 99-02, Wlad 98-03

Lewis avoided all the above fighters, All of who held versions of the Heavyweight Titles during the 1990s. regardless of whether you think Lewis would beat those fighters or not. Lewis chose instead to fight: Akinwande, Morrison (HIV), Grant, Golota, Mavrovick, Fortune, Jackson, Bruno, Tucker, Tua, Briggs - all had been exposed or defeated prior to fighting Lewis. with many on the downside of their career's and very little to offer compared to the list of fighters above.. Not one of the fighters above proved to be a Class A fighter.

Lennox Lewis team knew he was susceptible to punches, so avoided all the Top Fighters of that period. To put into perspective just how poor Lewis ability to take a punch was. Both Hasim Rahman & Oliver McCall two journeymen fighters, never replicated another knocked out during their entire career's, like they did the night they poleaxed Lewis.

Rid**** Bowe of 1993 would have had little trouble taking care of Lennox Lewis. The Duva's and team Lewis knew as much.

Sanders moorer Hide? top heavweights?! YOU ARE Ridiculous and not any more credible than Elroy. Good thing he avoided that hard punching Herbie Hide!! lol.