Thrilla in Manilla - That should never happen again.

[TheGreatA]

Many people say ****** things in their youth only to look back and say to themselves, "what the hell was I thinking" as they've gotten older. Im sure Ali was no exception. But like you said.....its time to get over it.

You should take a look at a then and now interview with Ali (unless you've already seen it).

He is wiser than ever despite the Parkinson's which only affects his speech, not his mind.

Ali was still able to be ironic about himself, even while saying all kinds of controversial things when he was younger. One moment he would argue with you about religion and politics and the next moment he would make you laugh at his jokes.

There live a great man named Joe
who was belittled by a loudmouth foe.
While his rival would taunt and tease
Joe silently bore the stings.
And then fought like gladiator in the ring.

-Muhammad Ali

Ali had great respect for Frazier despite the things he said about him when promoting their three fights.

The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life.

-Muhammad Ali

I'm sure we can all agree with that.

Holmes fought some big punchers
and Ali was dropped by guys like Webbner and Cooper
who are both c-level fighters if we are being honest.

Earnie Shavers nearly knocked Holmes out cold but never got Ali off his feet. According to Shavers, he could have knocked out any man with the punches he landed on Ali, he said Ali's chin was abnormal.

Wepner "knockdown" was hardly a knockdown.

The Henry Cooper KD just proves that any man can get knocked down by anyone if hit in the right spot, especially at 21 years of age.
In his next fight Ali took Liston's best punches (I bet you'll say the fight was fixed).

[Pride Of Arkans]

Earnie Shavers nearly knocked Holmes out cold but never got Ali off his feet.

Shavers did not nearly knockout Holmes. Shavers was himself stopped by Holmes
Ali never came close to stopping Shavers but Holmes did it.

Wepner "knockdown" was hardly a knockdown

Ok fair enough but Wepner should of not gone that far with Ali

Ali took Liston's best punches (I bet you'll say the fight was fixed).

I cant remember Liston ever landed anything big on Ali
and a lot of that has to do with the fight being fixed

[JAB5239]

So what he had two close decision wins
he also had two close decision defeats against Spinks
he could of easily got those two victorys.

Spinks gave Holmes the rematch. Larry didn't provide the same concession to two young fightesr who many would argue should have gotten the nod in their respective fights. Ali gave rematches to some of the best heavyweight to ever lace up the gloves.

Holmes fought some big punchers
and Ali was dropped by guys like Webbner and Cooper
who are both c-level fighters if we are being honest.

Its Wepner, and he clearly stepped on Ali's foot. As far as Cooper goes....Ali got caught and was hurt, but was up almost immedietly and stopped 'Enry in the next round. Holmes was dropped by Renaldo snipes. Whats your point?

If you get a chance check out some sparring videos of Holmes and Ali
Larry got the better of the sparring and he got the better of the real fight too.

This is ignorance at its best. Holmes beat an old and shot Ali. In his autobiography Holmes talks much about how much he learned from Ali and how he wasn't the same fighter in his later years of sparring with him.

Who thought Holyfield won ? its not my problem people cant score fights
Ali is bigger than Holyfield ? not really Evander packs a better punch.

Second fight was close. If Lewis wasn't robbed in the first fight I would bet there would of been more cries for a Holyfield victory, or at least a draw in the second fight.

Ali was bigger than Evander, and I would be happy to do a comparison of who had more ko's over top competition at heavyweight. Just say the word.

Its close Moorer, Tyson and Bowe are great wins
as are Foreman, Frazier and Liston
Im not sure who beat the better fighters maybe Ali.

The same Moorer he had lost to before? The same Tyson who was a shell of himself and hadn't had a really impressive showing in 7 or 8 years? And didn't Holy lose 2 out of 3 to Bowe?

Ali took two out of three to all time great Frazier. Both fights to Liston who was deemed indestuctable. And the ever famous "Rumble in the jungle" over Foreman who was perhaps the most feared heavyweight ever going intop that fight.

Please tell me you can do better than this.

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE]

You should take a look at a then and now interview with Ali (unless you've already seen it).

He is wiser than ever despite the Parkinson's which only affects his speech, not his mind.

Ali was still able to be ironic about himself, even while saying all kinds of controversial things when he was younger. One moment he would argue with you about religion and politics and the next moment he would make you laugh at his jokes.


-Muhammad Ali

Ali had great respect for Frazier despite the things he said about him when promoting their three fights.


-Muhammad Ali

I'm sure we can all agree with that.

Great stuff Manchine. I had never heard that Frazier poem before.

[StarshipTrooper]

Futch was right on in stopping the fight. I myself might have been tempted to stop it after the 13th seeing has how Frazier's eye was completely closed but certainly the beating he got in the 14th would have cinched it for me.....as it did Eddie Futch.

Yogi is right on the money: It's so rare to see two ATGs really laying it on the line and digging down and coming up with reserves they didn't even know they had these days. Championship fights these days really miss the kind of drama that 15 rounds contests provided. I miss the "championship rounds"

Poet

[TheGreatA]

Shavers did not nearly knockout Holmes. Shavers was himself stopped by Holmes
Ali never came close to stopping Shavers but Holmes did it.

2:18

Holmes said he was out before he hit the canvas against Shavers, sheer determination got him up.

Ali came close to stopping Shavers in the last round, 30 more seconds and he may have done it.

I cant remember Liston ever landed anything big on Ali
and a lot of that has to do with the fight being fixed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOHiNUVPuHA
7:45

That punch would've surely knocked out Floyd Patterson.

[JAB5239]

2:18

Holmes said he was out before he hit the canvas against Shavers, sheer determination got him up.

Ali came close to stopping Shavers in the last round, 30 more seconds and he may have done it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOHiNUVPuHA
7:45

That punch would've surely knocked out Floyd Patterson.

He's finished with this thread.

[Miburo]

Would have probably gone better had Frazier not been blinded in one eye by a cataract. He was fighting on pure instinct at the end.

[StarshipTrooper]

2:18

Holmes said he was out before he hit the canvas against Shavers, sheer determination got him up.

Ali came close to stopping Shavers in the last round, 30 more seconds and he may have done it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOHiNUVPuHA
7:45

That punch would've surely knocked out Floyd Patterson.

TheManchine comes through again!

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Someone have this on video?

I keep hearing about this fight... I have to see it!

Here you go Fearless:

http://www.**********.com/?d=QJVYYE45

No boxing fan should go through life without seeing THIS fight!

Poet