I think prime foreman would make mincemeat of him actually. I know it's not the thing to pick somebody by domination in this types of fights but I just feel that Liston's style would be perfect for George
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Prime Sonny Liston against George Foreman
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I don't like what I see in Liston's fights against Cleveland Williams. Especially in the first fight in the first round, Liston is not dealing well with Cleveland's aggressive attack and is taking some serious punishment, he's being pushed back and it's his chin that allows him to hang in there while Cleveland sort of punched himself out and they started clinching more. Foreman was far more powerful and along with his rough housing tactics I'm having a hard time seeing Sonny weather the storm like that while surviving.
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Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View PostListon's jab would cause foreman some problems early but eventually big George would land big, and that would be all for Liston..
Hell, it might even look a lot like foreman-moorer, with Liston dominating behind the jab only to get caught by George..
I will take foreman's power over liston's chin any day of the week
I think Listons jab may work for a round or two but Foreman would start man handling him in the middle rounds and then knock him out. this isn't to say Liston was no good but Foreman was just that damn better
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Liston's lacking defense, flat footedness and the fact that he is very hittable would be his downfall against the power and strength of the bigger Foreman. Sonny would find himself against the ropes and take a beating.
Liston has a punchers chance, but I see Foreman stopping Liston late in the fight after a brutal war.Last edited by Weltschmerz; 10-18-2014, 10:13 AM.
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Liston taught George. Liston would take a punch now and then to give one...Not sure he would use that tactic against foreman. Liston also had very clean lateral movement, better stamina, and enough size to deal with rawbone strength.
On the other hand Foreman had an unorthodox way of catching you and sometimes punches that angle in are a problem for guys who train to move precisely, laterally to slip and... Foreman had the power to stop Liston.
Very hard fight to call. Foreman did not deal well in a fight of attrition that might be the one thing that makes a big difference. Cleveland Williams was also a big athletic heavyweight, if that tells us anything.
Toss up
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Originally posted by BKM-2010 View PostI don't like what I see in Liston's fights against Cleveland Williams. Especially in the first fight in the first round, Liston is not dealing well with Cleveland's aggressive attack and is taking some serious punishment
In some quarters, Sonny and Muhammad Ali are sharing the same epilogue – they never looked as good as when they beat Williams.
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Originally posted by Ben Bolt View PostThe Big Cat is probably at his peak entering this fight, and considering that, I think Sonny is doing exceptional well riding out the storm. And at this time – 1959 – both men are most likely a level above Floyd and Ingo whose run for the world title lasted another three years, which unfortunately blocked any other title contender.
In some quarters, Sonny and Muhammad Ali are sharing the same epilogue – they never looked as good as when they beat Williams.
I could however see him TKO Foreman post-Ali since George was a slow starter there, Liston would have to crack him early like Lyle did and finish him off which he was very good at. In fact his finishes after hurting his opponent were incredibly brutal.
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Originally posted by BKM-2010 View Postit's a very different situation when it's a young Foreman doing the pounding
Well, it's only speculations. Fun, though, to think about if this or that meeting would have occured.
And later this night, we'll watch Golovkin again and trying to figure out if he would have stand a chance against Monzon or Hagler
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Originally posted by Ben Bolt View PostI think so too. And I can also see a post-Ali George handling Liston. The later version of a smarter George impressed me even more.
Well, it's only speculations. Fun, though, to think about if this or that meeting would have occured.
And later this night, we'll watch Golovkin again and trying to figure out if he would have stand a chance against Monzon or Hagler
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Originally posted by BKM-2010 View PostOne of the beauties of individual sports
In the later 1960s, I’m pretty sure of that the old Liston was still the 3rd best heavy in the world, behind Ali and an young up-and-comer named Frazier.
But, Liston’s (previous) su****ious connections with the underworld, and the lackluster 2nd loss to Ali, denied him a fair ranking.
After the Ali defeats, Liston went 14-0 (13 KOs) before – well ahead on points – succumbing to Leotis Martin in Dec. 1969, being knocked out cold for the first and only time.
No winners in that bout, though. Martin suffered a detached retina in the fight which ended his boxing career.
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