Where does Archie Moore rank among goat?

[greeh]

I doubt the no nothings in here even know who Kalule is. Shameful stuff in this thread.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all. Just think if Kalule had been around today. He would've cleaned house at 154lbs. and probably been touted as an all-time great.

[Humean]

The brainless shyte is trying to make another one of his ******ed statement. Good for him.

Do me a favour greeh, you have had a hard day colouring in pictures of farm animals at nursery (kindergarden), it is past your bed time, you're tired and grumpy, just go to sleep and maybe tomorrow you will not feel the need to call people '******s' and 'mongs'.

[Holywarrior]

Who said it was 'mind blowing'? Palomino was a very good welterweight, simple as that. Not obvious to me that Stracey wasn't on the level of Booker or Bivins.

Weston was fairly good.

The reason I brought up Steve Belloise was because he was one of the top middleweights of the 1940s and like the murderers row fighters you are currently fetishizing he had more than his own fair share of quality wins. If it is so obvious to you that Holman Williams was a great fighter then why not Steve Belloise?

So why are you blowing Hagler and Benitez so hard?

It's quite simple, Belloise doesn't have the W resume of Holman Williams who I believe has the best MW resume of all time.

[Holywarrior]

It wouldn’t surprise me at all. Just think if Kalule had been around today. He would've cleaned house at 154lbs. and probably been touted as an all-time great.

But but but 80s fighters were greater because their special group had a nickname!

[Humean]

So why are you blowing Hagler and Benitez so hard?

It's quite simple, Belloise doesn't have the W resume of Holman Williams who I believe has the best MW resume of all time.

Benitez ended the reign of one of the absolute best junior welterweights there has been and did so at the tender age of 17, and thus becoming the youngest ever boxing world champion, a record to this day. He defeated two good to very good fighters (Palomino and Hope) to become a three weight world champion, defeated Roberto Duran quite handedly, lost a close fight to Hearns and fought a good fight against Leonard. Leonard and Hearns are very likely a lot better than Holman Williams ever was.

Hagler along with Monzon and Hopkins was one of the most dominant middleweights in history.

You believe wrongly about Williams if you think that, you must be pretending that all his defeats and draws never actually happened. It is not clear that Williams middleweight career was better than Belloise's, sure if you add in Williams welterweight career then perhaps that does push Williams past Belloise but even then it is probably fairly close.

[greeh]

Do me a favour greeh, you have had a hard day colouring in pictures of farm animals at nursery (kindergarden), it is past your bed time, you're tired and grumpy, just go to sleep and maybe tomorrow you will not feel the need to call people '******s' and 'mongs'.

How did you know that?

Were you the creepy pedo that sneaked around the building and kept looking through the window while panting like an asthmatic horse?

I will always feel the need to call you a ******, because that’s what you are - a clueless ******.

[Holywarrior]

Benitez ended the reign of one of the absolute best junior welterweights there has been and did so at the tender age of 17, and thus becoming the youngest ever boxing world champion, a record to this day. He defeated two good to very good fighters (Palomino and Hope) to become a three weight world champion, defeated Roberto Duran quite handedly, lost a close fight to Hearns and fought a good fight against Leonard. Leonard and Hearns are very likely a lot better than Holman Williams ever was.

Hagler along with Monzon and Hopkins was one of the most dominant middleweights in history.

You believe wrongly about Williams if you think that, you must be pretending that all his defeats and draws never actually happened. It is not clear that Williams middleweight career was better than Belloise's, sure if you add in Williams welterweight career then perhaps that does push Williams past Belloise but even then it is probably fairly close.

Benitez/Hearns was close? Watch the fight and stay off of boxrec.

Williams was called as good as Robinson, by Eddie Futch.

Beat Charley Burley on three occasions, the bigger Lloyd Marshall on two occasions, the monstrous Jack Chase four out of four, Eddie Booker, Kid Tunero, Steve Belloise, Aaron Tiger Wade, Bert Lytell twice, a light-heavyweight Archie Moore, legendary puncher Bob Satterfield, and Joe Carter. Seriously you want to debate this?

Tell me who did Hagler or Monzon beat that stack up to that resume?

[Humean]

How did you know that?

Were you the creepy pedo that sneaked around the building and kept looking through the window while panting like an asthmatic horse?

I will always feel the need to call you a ******, because that’s what you are - a clueless ******.

How did I know that? Pure conjecture on my part discerned from your childlike behaviour. I'm not sure you even know what the word '******' even means, for whatever else I may be i'm not that. Calling people '******s' and 'mongs' is what children do, it is what happens when you do not possess the intellectual and emotional maturity of an adult. The irony of this clearly goes over your head.

[Humean]

Benitez/Hearns was close? Watch the fight and stay off of boxrec.

Williams was called as good as Robinson, by Eddie Futch.

Beat Charley Burley on three occasions, the bigger Lloyd Marshall on two occasions, the monstrous Jack Chase four out of four, Eddie Booker, Kid Tunero, Steve Belloise, Aaron Tiger Wade, Bert Lytell twice, a light-heavyweight Archie Moore, legendary puncher Bob Satterfield, and Joe Carter. Seriously you want to debate this?

Tell me who did Hagler or Monzon beat that stack up to that resume?

I have seen the fight and it was close. Clear but close win for Hearns.

Well if Eddie Futch said so then it must be true! Williams' and Robinson's careers tell a different story.

I'm not denying he defeated a lot of good fighters but yet again you are blind to his defeats. Do you just pretend that they didn't happen? I'm being serious here, how do you square his defeats in with your claims about Williams? I'll tell you what Monzon didn't do, he didn't lose in his prime years and Hagler only officially lost once in what you could call his prime years and that was to an opponent who was pretty damn good indeed.

[greeh]

How did I know that? Pure conjecture on my part discerned from your childlike behaviour. I'm not sure you even know what the word '******' even means, for whatever else I may be i'm not that. Calling people '******s' and 'mongs' is what children do, it is what happens when you do not possess the intellectual and emotional maturity of an adult. The irony of this clearly goes over your head.

It doesn't change the fact that you're a clueless ******, does it?

I think it justifiable to call a person ******ed when he among other things seriously believes that it's arguable that Steve Belloise resume is better than Holman Williams', who may very well have the best win column ever at middleweight.