Who thinks the FIRST clay-liston fight was fixed?

[Kid Achilles]

Where's your evidence, aside from Nick Toschle's terrible book?

[BKM-]

''we all know the first fight was fixed''

Everybody? He was knocked the **** out by the weakest HW puncher ever you *****. Deal with it.

[blockhead]

the first fight was legit, liston just gave up. the second fight was definately fixed though.

[supaduck]

Ali wasn't a weak puncher. If Ali had a weak punch then Foreman must have had a stunningly weak chin. And Liston RTD he wasn't KOed

[BKM-]

Liston is overrated anyway. The mob took care of his fights.

[blockhead]

Liston is overrated anyway. The mob took care of his fights.

thats the truth.

[butterfly1964]

''we all know the first fight was fixed''

Everybody? He was knocked the **** out by the weakest HW puncher ever you *****. Deal with it.

then i guess, buster douglass and evander holyfield, whom both knocked out tyson, never existed.

[butterfly1964]

well, i'm glad to see that most people here are sensible and know that cassius clay kicked the **** out of liston that night, february 25, 1964 in miami beach, florida.

[Frazier's 15th round]

No, it wasn't fixed. And I don't know why Liston quit on his stool. Even though everyone here says Clay was destroying him, I actually had it 4-2 for Clay. Liston wasn't doing that bad.

[butterfly1964]

No, it wasn't fixed. And I don't know why Liston quit on his stool. Even though everyone here says Clay was destroying him, I actually had it 4-2 for Clay. Liston wasn't doing that bad.

yeah, me too. liston won the 4th and 5th rounds. but i guess he gave up, when he realized even after blinding clay he was still getting rocked!