Jim Jeffries

[Scott9945]

Jeffries last fight before retirement was August 1904, weight 224lbs.

Langford fought Walcott in September 1904, weight 142lbs.

Not sure the Heavyweight Champion knocking out a top Welterweight would look bad on the Welterweight, regardless of the era or the boxers involved.

Those stats make this ill conceived matchup seem like a gross mismatch.

[billeau2]

Jeffries last fight before retirement was August 1904, weight 224lbs.

Langford fought Walcott in September 1904, weight 142lbs.

Not sure the Heavyweight Champion knocking out a top Welterweight would look bad on the Welterweight, regardless of the era or the boxers involved.

undoubtedly true. One thing to keep in mind is that the style during that time, the fighting distances, etc were such that there were more ways to minimize size advantages. One strategy was to fight off the back foot and pick your spots. Guys were also decent grapplers who could neutralize strength....But Jeffries was a bear!

[The Old LefHook]

I see Jefferies beating John L. Sully and Carnera. Who else? Those are the only ones I see for sure. I think he would also have a great chance against Marciano because of Rocky's style. Anyone else simply stays away from him very easily. I hate to think what Liston would do to poor Jeff. Greg Paige, for instance, I see having a field day with Jim for quite a few rounds before himself being iced, and Paige is not exactly one of the greatest heavyweights ever. The fate of Vladver would be about the same. If Jeff is able to step up the pressure, the stork legs should tangle before the conclusion of fifteen rounds. Well, wait. Jeff might also be able to outlast the weak mandible of Kenny Norton. I have no doubt Jeff could throw a terrific punch, but he has to be able to get some through, which I see as his critical problem facing ATG heavies. I see a decent possibility that he would be outboxed by even Willard. There must be some paper champions he can beat. I never even consider those characters heavyweight champs.

[billeau2]

I see Jefferies beating John L. Sully and Carnera. Who else? Those are the only ones I see for sure. I think he would also have a great chance against Marciano because of Rocky's style. Anyone else simply stays away from him very easily. I hate to think what Liston would do to poor Jeff. Greg Paige, for instance, I see having a field day with Jim for quite a few rounds before himself being iced, and Paige is not exactly one of the greatest heavyweights ever. The fate of Vladver would be about the same. If Jeff is able to step up the pressure, the stork legs should tangle before the conclusion of fifteen rounds. Well, wait. Jeff might also be able to outlast the weak mandible of Kenny Norton. I have no doubt Jeff could throw a terrific punch, but he has to be able to get some through, which I see as his critical problem facing ATG heavies. I see a decent possibility that he would be outboxed by even Willard. There must be some paper champions he can beat. I never even consider those characters heavyweight champs.

The problem one has is that when we get to a guy like J Johnson, he was a good enough tequnition that I see him able, within the parameters of his style, to make adjustments to any changes in the game.

Guys like Jeffries were staaunchly in the camp, good at, the prevailing way of doing things back then which had a lot more to do with bare knuckle strategies and fencing distances, than when things started to change.

if Willard fights Vlad for example, in a ring today his prowess would not show, in a contest at the times its a different story entirely.

If anyone wants to see where I am coming from first, watch some bare knuckle champions fight....the whole thing is different, the guys don'tn look in shape because it is not very aerobic...you basically learn to cover up, angle the punches so they don't hit the head (broken hand) and you fight in spurts, you head hunt. There is no real body attack to speak of because at a fighting distance your head is vulnerable when you go to the body, you fight inside when you come to grips.

Now, the old bare knuckle prize fighters were more savy than this because they fought at distances in a ring and had to have great footwork. But there are different considerations entirely.

if i am fighting bare knuckle and I want to stop a straight punch? I put my head down.... If I am punching I angle to catch you at an arc on the jaw prefarably.

Different games folks!