who did liston beat to be so highly regarded as good??

[SuzieQ49]

nino valdes was practically shot when liston beat him. the win doesnt count for much at all, valdes wasnt even top 10 ranked anymore and had recentley lost to 2 journeyman. thats all valdes had left was his punching power.

[Kid Achilles]

Thanks for the correction, I was not aware of that. Cleve was definitely in his prime though, a physical marvel and great power puncher (though pretty damn wide with his shots at times) and Liston just demolished the guy after taking some of his best punches- twice.

I think Liston really had a chin on him and heart as well. His courage is given a blark mark because of the Ali fights but when his mind was on boxing he was a brave guy. Braver than Tyson IMO.

[SuzieQ49]

yes machen, folley, williams were all in there primes when they fought liston.


valdes was still a dangerous puncher, but he was 35 nearly shot as his recent preformances showed. his reflexes and everything were gone, and he retired after 1 more fight after liston. valdes was not top 10 when liston beat him.

valdes best years were 1952-55

[Brassangel]

It's also difficult to call the people he faced "bums" considering the fact that they were likely overshadowed by the likes of Patterson, Johansson, Folley, Williams, Ali, etc. Just because he destroyed the no-names doesn't mean they were actually no-names.

[butterfly1964]

It's also difficult to call the people he faced "bums" considering the fact that they were likely overshadowed by the likes of Patterson, Johansson, Folley, Williams, Ali, etc. Just because he destroyed the no-names doesn't mean they were actually no-names.

welcome back brassangel. where you been?

[Heckler]

as in? please inform me what he did more then tyson

Who the **** did Tyson fight? Michael spinks? and? he was a light heavyweight. Does Ali get credit for beating bob foster with ease who was just as good a LHW as Spinks? He fought an over the hill Holmes. Did he ever beat someone in their PRIME that was as good as Floyd patterson? twice? NO.

[BKM-]

Who the **** did Tyson fight? Michael spinks? and? he was a light heavyweight. Does Ali get credit for beating bob foster with ease who was just as good a LHW as Spinks? He fought an over the hill Holmes. Did he ever beat someone in their PRIME that was as good as Floyd patterson? twice? NO.

Overall he fought much much better than Sonny mob Liston. Liston just fought 1 greatd fighter in his life and that was it. SPinks proved he could fight as a heavyweight. He was surtainly bigger than Patterson Don't be an idiot about weights. Its not about weights.

[Verstyle]

Who the **** did Tyson fight? Michael spinks? and? he was a light heavyweight. Does Ali get credit for beating bob foster with ease who was just as good a LHW as Spinks? He fought an over the hill Holmes. Did he ever beat someone in their PRIME that was as good as Floyd patterson? twice? NO.

soooooooooo u tell me that since spinks didnt go up in weight A LONG TIME before he fought tyson(heavyweight). to be precise in ****in 85'!!!!!!!! when tyson first came on the scene and 3 years before they fought. u will still consider him a light heavyweight?? get the **** outta here with that long time excuse. tyson weighed 218 and spinks weighed 212 sounds like spinks was a heavyweight to me and i guess gerry cooney and larry holmes must really suck to be beatin by a "light heavyweight". and who did he fight? i guess tyrell bigg the gold medal winner and still undefeated. and although it wasnt prime i guess donovan ruddock 1&2 one of the hardest hitters in the division ****** also that fighter was a no body huh and i dont care what u say after holmes lose to tyson he still fought good competetion so he wasnt that over the hill. tony tucker was undefeated and the ibf champ by beating buster douglas guess he ****** also. and ive seen pinklon thomas in some greatest hitters list also so obviously his jab and other hits were something.if u cant analyze tyson opponents dont even bother.

[butterfly1964]

soooooooooo u tell me that since spinks didnt go up in weight A LONG TIME before he fought tyson(heavyweight). to be precise in ****in 85'!!!!!!!! when tyson first came on the scene and 3 years before they fought. u will still consider him a light heavyweight?? get the **** outta here with that long time excuse. tyson weighed 218 and spinks weighed 212 sounds like spinks was a heavyweight to me and i guess gerry cooney and larry holmes must really suck to be beatin by a "light heavyweight". and who did he fight? i guess tyrell bigg the gold medal winner and still undefeated. and although it wasnt prime i guess donovan ruddock 1&2 one of the hardest hitters in the division ****** also that fighter was a no body huh and i dont care what u say after holmes lose to tyson he still fought good competetion so he wasnt that over the hill. tony tucker was undefeated and the ibf champ by beating buster douglas guess he ****** also. and ive seen pinklon thomas in some greatest hitters list also so obviously his jab and other hits were something.if u cant analyze tyson opponents dont even bother.

liston beat people like patterson, cleveland williams, zora folley, and eddie machen. all of these are top 40 hw's of all time. patterson is better than anybody tyson beat. williams is a terrific puncher, IMO a top 25 of greatest punchers of all-time. machen was a very good boxer with great skills, and folley was a tricky counterpuncher that would give hw's today problems. if you can't say that liston beat good competition, then you just must have something against him

[SuzieQ49]

folley is no top 40 heavy of all time