who did liston beat to be so highly regarded as good??

[JDizzle79]

i am a moron, but i know that no 180lb. small cruiserweight is gonna beat big strong 220 plus pound hw's. shut the hell up and stop trying to start **** with me.

ease off the gas speedracer...no need to blow a gasket

[tommyhearns804]

The answer is nobody.You know why people think Liston is good?Because he is built up so when people say ALi didnt fight anybody earlier in his career they can say yeah he did he fought Liston.
Liston was a complete joke.Slow,weak a coward.And for the little kids who will say Liston was just like Foreman and either as strong or stronger or just as good as a puncher let me ask you this..how many of you fought Liston?Well all did and said Liston wasn't as hard as a puncher as Foreman,Frazier,Norton,Bonavena ect ect ect.
Liston's best win was over Patterson.A man known for having a weak chin.A man who was knocked down by other fighers in own size.So that makes Liston great right?Wrong Liston isn't even a top 50 great.Just another fighter built up to make Ali seem better than he really was.

[butterfly1964]

The answer is nobody.You know why people think Liston is good?Because he is built up so when people say ALi didnt fight anybody earlier in his career they can say yeah he did he fought Liston.
Liston was a complete joke.Slow,weak a coward.And for the little kids who will say Liston was just like Foreman and either as strong or stronger or just as good as a puncher let me ask you this..how many of you fought Liston?Well all did and said Liston wasn't as hard as a puncher as Foreman,Frazier,Norton,Bonavena ect ect ect.
Liston's best win was over Patterson.A man known for having a weak chin.A man who was knocked down by other fighers in own size.So that makes Liston great right?Wrong Liston isn't even a top 50 great.Just another fighter built up to make Ali seem better than he really was.

ali never said frazier, norton and bonavena punched harder than liston. you need to get your facts straight.

liston had better skills than foreman and had faster hands.IMO liston would beat foreman in a boxing match.

[Kid Achilles]

Actually Ali claimed that Liston hit harder than Foreman before he fought him in 74. That's the only time I know of where Ali compared their punching power for the media.

[tommyhearns804]

Lol right ******s read the life and time of Ali.He said Foreman was the hardest puncher,Frazier was the toughest and Liston was the scariest..I am not talking about some bull**** Ali said before he fought Foreman to psyke himself out.
And Liston was more skilled?Ha give me a ****ing break.Again Ali said Foreman was the one of the quickest guys he ever faced foot speed wise.Who did Liston beat in his career that compared to Frazier,Norton,Lyle,Moorer,Briggs or even a guy like Peralta who Foreman beat 2 times?Not to mention the other really good fighers like Holyfield and Morrison who Foreman fought when he was in his 40's.
Liston has faster hands than who?Don't tell me you are one of these **** sucking ******s who worship men you never met huh?Liston had the worse hand speed of any heavyweight champion besides that joke Marciano.The only way somebody as unskilled and cowarldy as Liston would beat Foreman would be if he could bring a gun into the ring.
I know alot of you people parents probably snorted alot of coke in the 70's so it only amuses me when you try to talk about something you have no clue of.
And its nice that you like Ali butterfly but Ali was knocked down by 180 pound fighters with one punch and you know why?Because the man has a glass chin.Foreman could box if he wanted today. And your boy Ali was getting beat by the likes of Leon Spinks when he was 35 or so.But you do have a point about Marciano.The little white racist kids in here will never admit the man was a joke.In their eyes a weak slow unskilled 180 pound fighter like Marciano would knock out somebody like Tua with one punch even though Tua never been down to bigger more powerful men.But you still are a complete moron kid.
Read "The Life and Times of Ali" or whatever the book is called.And then get back with me.Ali would know more about who hits harder than you a guy who never fought Foreman,Frazier,Norton blah blah blah.Ali did and he also said Foreman had him out on his feet at least 5 times during their fight from glancing blows.He also stated that Foreman was so strong that he could barely box him and that is why he held on so much trying to tire him.Frazier knocked Ali down so that must me he punched harder.Norton beat Ali 3 times and kept him running and holding like a ***** which ment Norton must punched harder.Shavers hurt Ali big time so he must punched harder than Liston.Lyle knocked down Foreman somebody with a granite chin and the best person Liston knocked down was Patterson a guy with a glass chin and he outweighed about 30 plus pounds so logic would mean Lyle punched harder.
How else can i explain how Liston was overrated....Here ****** how about this.You say Liston hits harder and was more skilled which is a load of horse **** then why does Foreman have a better winning percentage and a higher ko percentage?And Foreman fought the better opponents..Come on use your brain.You could either say Foreman was more skilled so he landed better punches than Liston or you can say he was alot harder puncher.You can't have it both ways.
Either way i already told you to read that book about Ali and read what he said.Liston is a overrated joke.Even a guy like Tyson would eat his ass up.

[Verstyle]

Actually Ali claimed that Liston hit harder than Foreman before he fought him in 74. That's the only time I know of where Ali compared their punching power for the media.

but u said BEFORE he fought him so how would ali know how hard george hit if he hasnt been hit yet

[Da Iceman]

Lol right ******s read the life and time of Ali.He said Foreman was the hardest puncher,Frazier was the toughest and Liston was the scariest..I am not talking about some bull**** Ali said before he fought Foreman to psyke himself out.
And Liston was more skilled?Ha give me a ****ing break.Again Ali said Foreman was the one of the quickest guys he ever faced foot speed wise.Who did Liston beat in his career that compared to Frazier,Norton,Lyle,Moorer,Briggs or even a guy like Peralta who Foreman beat 2 times?Not to mention the other really good fighers like Holyfield and Morrison who Foreman fought when he was in his 40's.
Liston has faster hands than who?Don't tell me you are one of these **** sucking ******s who worship men you never met huh?Liston had the worse hand speed of any heavyweight champion besides that joke Marciano.The only way somebody as unskilled and cowarldy as Liston would beat Foreman would be if he could bring a gun into the ring.
I know alot of you people parents probably snorted alot of coke in the 70's so it only amuses me when you try to talk about something you have no clue of.
And its nice that you like Ali butterfly but Ali was knocked down by 180 pound fighters with one punch and you know why?Because the man has a glass chin.Foreman could box if he wanted today. And your boy Ali was getting beat by the likes of Leon Spinks when he was 35 or so.But you do have a point about Marciano.The little white racist kids in here will never admit the man was a joke.In their eyes a weak slow unskilled 180 pound fighter like Marciano would knock out somebody like Tua with one punch even though Tua never been down to bigger more powerful men.But you still are a complete moron kid.
Read "The Life and Times of Ali" or whatever the book is called.And then get back with me.Ali would know more about who hits harder than you a guy who never fought Foreman,Frazier,Norton blah blah blah.Ali did and he also said Foreman had him out on his feet at least 5 times during their fight from glancing blows.He also stated that Foreman was so strong that he could barely box him and that is why he held on so much trying to tire him.Frazier knocked Ali down so that must me he punched harder.Norton beat Ali 3 times and kept him running and holding like a ***** which ment Norton must punched harder.Shavers hurt Ali big time so he must punched harder than Liston.Lyle knocked down Foreman somebody with a granite chin and the best person Liston knocked down was Patterson a guy with a glass chin and he outweighed about 30 plus pounds so logic would mean Lyle punched harder.
How else can i explain how Liston was overrated....Here ****** how about this.You say Liston hits harder and was more skilled which is a load of horse **** then why does Foreman have a better winning percentage and a higher ko percentage?And Foreman fought the better opponents..Come on use your brain.You could either say Foreman was more skilled so he landed better punches than Liston or you can say he was alot harder puncher.You can't have it both ways.
Either way i already told you to read that book about Ali and read what he said.Liston is a overrated joke.Even a guy like Tyson would eat his ass up.

see thats why nobody likes you and your forever getting banned.

[Kid Achilles]

You are an idiot and a joke and I look forward to your next banning.

Ali having a glass chin? Ali had an awesome chin, one of the best chins of any heavyweight champion. A chin that stood up to Foreman, Liston, Shavers, Quarry, Lyle three fights with Frazier, Mac Foster, and many other big punchers. If Ali had a glass chin, than Foreman's must have been made of dried rat **** dust because Lyle's punches had twice the effect on Foreman that they had on Ali.

Man I cannot fathom how ****** you are. Saying Ali had a glass chin MAY BE THE DUMBEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD IN TWO YEARS OF BEING A MEMBER AT THIS FORUM; DO YOU REALIZE HOW DUMB THAT IS? NO YOU PROBABLY DON'T BECAUSE YOU'RE A MORON.

[butterfly1964]

Lol right ******s read the life and time of Ali.He said Foreman was the hardest puncher,Frazier was the toughest and Liston was the scariest..I am not talking about some bull**** Ali said before he fought Foreman to psyke himself out.
And Liston was more skilled?Ha give me a ****ing break.Again Ali said Foreman was the one of the quickest guys he ever faced foot speed wise.Who did Liston beat in his career that compared to Frazier,Norton,Lyle,Moorer,Briggs or even a guy like Peralta who Foreman beat 2 times?Not to mention the other really good fighers like Holyfield and Morrison who Foreman fought when he was in his 40's.
Liston has faster hands than who?Don't tell me you are one of these **** sucking ******s who worship men you never met huh?Liston had the worse hand speed of any heavyweight champion besides that joke Marciano.The only way somebody as unskilled and cowarldy as Liston would beat Foreman would be if he could bring a gun into the ring.
I know alot of you people parents probably snorted alot of coke in the 70's so it only amuses me when you try to talk about something you have no clue of.
And its nice that you like Ali butterfly but Ali was knocked down by 180 pound fighters with one punch and you know why?Because the man has a glass chin.Foreman could box if he wanted today. And your boy Ali was getting beat by the likes of Leon Spinks when he was 35 or so.But you do have a point about Marciano.The little white racist kids in here will never admit the man was a joke.In their eyes a weak slow unskilled 180 pound fighter like Marciano would knock out somebody like Tua with one punch even though Tua never been down to bigger more powerful men.But you still are a complete moron kid.
Read "The Life and Times of Ali" or whatever the book is called.And then get back with me.Ali would know more about who hits harder than you a guy who never fought Foreman,Frazier,Norton blah blah blah.Ali did and he also said Foreman had him out on his feet at least 5 times during their fight from glancing blows.He also stated that Foreman was so strong that he could barely box him and that is why he held on so much trying to tire him.Frazier knocked Ali down so that must me he punched harder.Norton beat Ali 3 times and kept him running and holding like a ***** which ment Norton must punched harder.Shavers hurt Ali big time so he must punched harder than Liston.Lyle knocked down Foreman somebody with a granite chin and the best person Liston knocked down was Patterson a guy with a glass chin and he outweighed about 30 plus pounds so logic would mean Lyle punched harder.
How else can i explain how Liston was overrated....Here ****** how about this.You say Liston hits harder and was more skilled which is a load of horse **** then why does Foreman have a better winning percentage and a higher ko percentage?And Foreman fought the better opponents..Come on use your brain.You could either say Foreman was more skilled so he landed better punches than Liston or you can say he was alot harder puncher.You can't have it both ways.
Either way i already told you to read that book about Ali and read what he said.Liston is a overrated joke.Even a guy like Tyson would eat his ass up.

liston's handspeed was better than foreman, fool. watch both of them fight in their prime. and i never said liston hits harder than foreman. i just said that he had faster hands and is more skilled, which he is. prime liston wouldn't lose to a 32yr. old ali like prime foreman did. ali wouldn't be able to rope-a-dope liston cause liston wasn't that ******. foreman may have been faster on his feet than liston, but liston is more skilled and was more fundamentally sound. liston couldn't hit ali is why he couldn't floor him. but liston did manage to hurt clay a few times with one or two punches, so you are wrong, norton, frazier, and norton do not punch harder than liston. patterson is an underrated hw and is better than peralta, moorer, briggs, lyle, and even IMO norton. i mean just because liston's best win was patterson doesn't mean that he couldn't have beaten better people. i mean with marciano you can say that he struggled with charles, walcott, etc, so rocky couldn't have beaten better people, but liston steamrolled over patterson, so someone like frazier or norton still wouldn't be to good for liston to beat. it's not gonna be as easy as patterson, but he could still do it.

i think your problem is your love for george foreman. it's obvious you resent ali for crushing a prime foreman, so stop being blinded by hate.

[Kid Achilles]

Also although the Patterson win is his most famous, completely destroying a prime Cleveland Williams, Nino Valdez, and Zora Folley have to count for something. These were all very very good contenders.