Vitali VS Sonny Liston

[joseph5620]

If you breeze through this thread really quickly, it's difficult to figure out that all those "he lost both fights" posts are not, in fact, about Sonny Liston.

It wouldn't be difficult if you knew the difference between a prime Ali and Chris Byrd/past prime Lennox Lewis.

It's only difficult if you can't read.

[mickey malone]

Has'nt this tedious thread been put to sleep yet!

Fringe ATG vs part time boxer... Just plain silly

[Cardinal Buck]

It wouldn't be difficult if you knew the difference between a prime Ali and Chris Byrd/past prime Lennox Lewis.

It's only difficult if you can't read.

Ali was not prime. He was coming off getting almost knocked out by Cooper. Liston quit in the first fight and got knocked out with one punch in the first round of the second fight instead of redeeming himself. Those results are pathetic.

[KBRO]

I'm sure at some point somebody did a side by side with Vitali and the Statue of Liberty and decided that Vitali was mobile. Well yes, compared to fixed objects set in concrete Vitali IS mobile :chuckle9:

He could be as stationary as a brick.. he'll still throw & land more punches than you.. how mobile he is.. is not relevant to his success.. he can get his punches off from every angle in the book.. to get to him.. you have to be willing to take his shots... only a few have ever tried to get close enough to hit him as if you attempt to do so.. you'll be hit with counters from every angle... either way you get beatdown... up to you whether you want a prolonged & sustained destruction while trying or forfeiting.. sonny would've been overpowered.. all of you that think he had more skills are out of your minds.

[KBRO]

no one is punch proof, but he can take a punch

Vitali would have to deal with someone far more skilled and dangerous than anyone he's ever faced
the Lewis that fought Vitali would have been starched by prime Liston is a couple rounds

Yeah.. Lewis would be starched.. doesn't say much for his punch resistance.. NO ONE STARCHES VITALI KLITSCHKO in a boxing match. Sonny Liston would've been intimidated looking up at Vitali Klitschko & his bully act wouldn't have been a factor with the bigger stronger guy. Vitali Klitschko doesn't have the longest reach for a super heavyweight. Sonny would still have to punch up to reach his jaw despite the longer reach. Liston gets beatdown easy just like any other smaller foe.

[fight_professor]

Liston had awesome power and a great jab. He would give Vitali a great fight. I would favour Liston to stop Vitali.

[joseph5620]

Ali was not prime. He was coming off getting almost knocked out by Cooper. Liston quit in the first fight and got knocked out with one punch in the first round of the second fight instead of redeeming himself. Those results are pathetic.

I stopped reading after this.......

[Cardinal Buck]

I stopped reading after this.......

Could you refresh my memory re: how many good fighters Ali knocked out in one round?

[joseph5620]

Could you refresh my memory re: how many good fighters Ali knocked out in one round?

Explain your point and maybe I can refresh your memory.


We are also talking about Muhammad Ali. The same fighter who stopped Foreman and Frazier. The round he did it in is irrelevant. Big difference between losing to Ali and losing to Chris byrd/overweight, past prime Lennox Lewis.

Any fighter can get caught and knocked out when the punch isn't expected. Ask Manny Pacquiao. With your logic, that erases everything Pacquiao has done in his career.


Go check out Nunn-Sumbu Kalambay. How many top fighters did Nunn knock out in the first round? How many times was Kalambay knocked out in his career? Did he have a glass jaw?


Does that refresh your memory?

[Cardinal Buck]

Muhammad Ali is Superman, then. So if you fight Ali twice--after Ali almost got knocked out--it's okay to quit with a shoulder injury far less severe than Vit's (Vitali didn't need an "out" in his fight like Liston) and get knocked out in one round. Ali is Superman, so he could've knocked out anyone in one round with one punch. He just chose not to with everyone except Liston. This too, explains why Liston was intimidated by Ali but wouldn't be by Vitali.