Fighters who should have fought each other but never did.

[butterfly1964]

wow, ya'll are crazy! 1964-1967 ali is waaaay better than 1974 ali.

[Brassangel]

Originally posted by butterfly1964 wow, ya'll are crazy! 1964-1967 ali is waaaay better than 1974 ali.

Dundee doesn't think so. He was swifter in '67, but he wasn't smarter. His corner agrees that his hand speed wasn't drastically different, but his footspeed and stamina had come down a bit. Even so, all of them preferred the Ali that came forward in the jungle as opposed to the young punk of 1967. He had more heart, more technical skill, and he had perfected his ring psychology. It's just a shame that he went downhill after that fight; physically and mentally.

The term 'prime' doesn't have to mean a stint of one's career which included his physical prowess. Prime can be a number of things, such as a defining moment of achievement. 1974 defined Ali's career as great.

[Yogi]

watch listons documentary, they say he was born in 1922-1923

Yeah so?

There are/were many different "sources" doing nothing more than guessing at what Liston's real age is/was, and I've seen/read a whole bunch of them.

I don't know about you, but I know that I'm certainly going to trust a government document like the 1930 census, especially considering that the whole Liston household/family was accounted for in that census except for Sonny...And the only reason they didn't have a listing for Charles 'Sonny' Liston was because he hadn't been born yet.

[butterfly1964]

Yeah so?

There are/were many different "sources" doing nothing more than guessing at what Liston's real age is/was, and I've seen/read a whole bunch of them.

I don't know about you, but I know that I'm certainly going to trust a government document like the 1930 census, especially considering that the whole Liston household/family was accounted for in that census except for Sonny...And the only reason they didn't have a listing for Charles 'Sonny' Liston was because he hadn't been born yet.

yeah, that makes sense.

[butterfly1964]

Dundee doesn't think so. He was swifter in '67, but he wasn't smarter. His corner agrees that his hand speed wasn't drastically different, but his footspeed and stamina had come down a bit. Even so, all of them preferred the Ali that came forward in the jungle as opposed to the young punk of 1967. He had more heart, more technical skill, and he had perfected his ring psychology. It's just a shame that he went downhill after that fight; physically and mentally.

The term 'prime' doesn't have to mean a stint of one's career which included his physical prowess. Prime can be a number of things, such as a defining moment of achievement. 1974 defined Ali's career as great.

if i were to choose, i would rather fight '74 ali, cause while '74 might outsmart me, '67 would just straight up embarrass me!

[+= El Jefe=+]

RJJ Vs Darius Micha* idk the rest of the spelling.

[butterfly1964]

RJJ Vs Darius Micha* idk the rest of the spelling.

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[Heckler]

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Ali in 67 would beat foreman. Foremans style caters to Alis too much. Hes a slugger, that lumbers forward, he doesn't swarm. You watch the action off the ropes, Ali dominated it usually... he would move, judge the range work the jab and burst in with a big right cross. With his footwork in 67 hed stay on the outside, stick and move. Nothing in foremans arsenal would bother him. Foreman didn't have the boxing skills of say Norton to bother him, nor the body movement of frazier and swariming style. Nor was Foreman a defensive fighter. Everything plays into Alis hands. Styles make fights.

[morancito]

Sal Sanchez vs. Alexis Arguello could have been done, if not for Sal's untimely death.

[Brassangel]

Ali in 1967 would still beat Foreman handily; I'm not taking that away from him. This was a matter of how good Ali looked, and how his corner felt he fought in 1974 compared to when he was younger.

And butterfly, Ali would embarass you in either era. Outsmarting someone usually brings with it embarassment.

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