Fighters who should have fought each other but never did.

[butterfly1964]

Yeah well, Machen was obviously past his best by that point in time, and wasn't exactly a top contender anymore when that fight could've taken place (by mid/late '65, Machen was no longer in the top ten...he was barely top ten when facing Terrell earlier in the year, as he entered that fight ranked as the #9 contender). He also hadn't defeated a top ten ranked Heavyweight since about four years previous in 1961. Shoot, around that time Machen took a pretty one-sided beating from Floyd Patterson, basically did absoltuely nothing against Ernie Terrell in that snorathon, and couldn't even beat a relative novice like Elmer Rush...yet you think he'd be a worthwhile challenger to Ali's title?

No there's no way they should have fought.

alright, then they should have fought in the mid '60s.

[Yogi]

alright, then they should have fought in the mid '60s.

Uh, the mid 60's version of Machen is who I was talking about there, Butterfly.

Maybe Machen would have been a good veteran opponent to have on Ali's resume during his pre-title winning days (in '62 or '63), but he wouldn't have really been a legitimate challenger for the title after Ali won it and then rematched Liston, because Eddie was already well past it by that point.

[butterfly1964]

Uh, the mid 60's version of Machen is who I was talking about there, Butterfly.

Maybe Machen would have been a good veteran opponent to have on Ali's resume during his pre-title winning days (in '62 or '63), but he wouldn't have really been a legitimate challenger for the title after Ali won it and then rematched Liston, because Eddie was already well past it by that point.

the night when clay won the title in '64, the announcer was asking dundee if he was going to face contenders like eddie machen and so on, and dundee said he'll face anybody. the fact that machen was mentiioned means something.

[Yogi]

the night when clay won the title in '64, the announcer was asking dundee if he was going to face contenders like eddie machen and so on, and dundee said he'll face anybody. the fact that machen was mentiioned means something.

That's because he was still a top ranked contender at that point and even though he was already slipping, he was probably still viewed as a legitimate title challenger after Ali beat Liston the first time. But Machen proved shortly thereafter that he didn't have a whole lot left in the tank and fell completely out of the top ten by the time Ali was all finished his business with giving Liston a rematch.

Ring Ratings for June 1964:

Champ: Cassius Clay
1: Sonny Liston
2: Doug Jones
3: Zora Folley
4: Ernest Terrell
5: Eddie Machen
6: Cleveland Williams
7: Floyd Patterson
8: Karl Mildenberger
9: Henry Cooper
10: George Chuvalo

Shoot, just looking at those ratings for that month, there's some pretty friggin good names on there, isn't there?

Anyways, from there Machen took a pretty one-sided drubbing from the lower ranked Floyd Patterson, which dropped Eddie to 9th in the rankings. He followed that fight by basically doing nothing against Ernie Terrell for fifteen rounds in the early parts of '65, which dropped him from the ratings. And a few months later he fought to a draw with an inexperienced journeyman by the name of Elmer Rush.

[butterfly1964]

That's because he was still a top ranked contender at that point and even though he was already slipping, he was probably still viewed as a legitimate title challenger after Ali beat Liston the first time. But Machen proved shortly thereafter that he didn't have a whole lot left in the tank and fell completely out of the top ten by the time Ali was all finished his business with giving Liston a rematch.

Ring Ratings for June 1964:

Champ: Cassius Clay
1: Sonny Liston
2: Doug Jones
3: Zora Folley
4: Ernest Terrell
5: Eddie Machen
6: Cleveland Williams
7: Floyd Patterson
8: Karl Mildenberger
9: Henry Cooper
10: George Chuvalo

Shoot, just looking at those ratings for that month, there's some pretty friggin good names on there, isn't there?

Anyways, from there Machen took a pretty one-sided drubbing from the lower ranked Floyd Patterson, which dropped Eddie to 9th in the rankings. He followed that fight by basically doing nothing against Ernie Terrell for fifteen rounds in the early parts of '65, which dropped him from the ratings. And a few months later he fought to a draw with an inexperienced journeyman by the name of Elmer Rush.

i'm impressed. well, it would have been nice to see them fight at any time period anyways.

[Yogi]

i'm impressed. well, it would have been nice to see them fight at any time period anyways.

Well, it would have been ugly, Butterfly...it would have been real ugly.

Remember that the same Floyd Patterson who handled that version of Eddie Machen pretty easily was the exact same Floyd Patterson that was lucky to win a single round againt Ali a short time later...Same thing with Terrell.

[butterfly1964]

Well, it would have been ugly, Butterfly...it would have been real ugly.

Remember that the same Floyd Patterson who handled that version of Eddie Machen pretty easily was the exact same Floyd Patterson that was lucky to win a single round againt Ali a short time later...Same thing with Terrell.

alright, i concede.

[noypi]

FIGHTERS WHO WOULD HAVE FOUGHT EACH OTHER BUT NEVER DID!!!

TYSON -LEWIS If im not mistaken Lewis won the fight...
TYSON-HOLYFIELD REMEMBER THE EARS?...

[Yogi]

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