Who are the 5 LEAST deserving Boxers who were inducted into the Hall of Fame?

[Scott9945]

nice avitar pic scott, is that you?

If that helps you get off, sure, go with that. :wank:

[The_Demon]

Ray Corso looking and acting like the deluded old cunt that he is

Fuck off Ray,your boring now,if only you were as knowledgeable as you think you are

[IronDanHamza]

I didn't say he would, I said he could! In over 80 bouts he was stopped twice
lost 12 or 13 bouts, and was considered one of the finest pure boxer ever!
He was trained by Angelo Dundee and fought the likes of Archie Moore and Harold Johnson, Rex Layne (as a heavy) Bobby Dykes and Joey Maxim. He was extremely difficult to hit cleanly and his overall defense was excellant.

Floyd Paterson is in the HoF, is his record or accomplishments better or as good as Pastrano's? Not sure about that! Close. Ray.
nice avitar pic scott, is that you?

All of those names you mentioned outside of Johnson were absolute shells of themselves when Pastrano fought them. I mean Rex Layne? Seriously? You consider that a good win for Pastrano?

The only top fighter he fought in their prime while he himself was at the top of his game was Johnson and he was soundly beaten.

Not sure where you're going with the fact he was trained by Dundee. Pinklon Thomas was also trained by Dundee. I'm missing the point to both of those observations.

I'm still waiting on that breakdown of how Pastrano could beat Roy Jones. I'd love to see it.

[BRITISH LlON]

All of those names you mentioned outside of Johnson were absolute shells of themselves when Pastrano fought them. I mean Rex Layne? Seriously? You consider that a good win for Pastrano?

The only top fighter he fought in their prime while he himself was at the top of his game was Johnson and he was soundly beaten.

Not sure where you're going with the fact he was trained by Dundee. Pinklon Thomas was also trained by Dundee. I'm missing the point to both of those observations.

I'm still waiting on that breakdown of how Pastrano could beat Roy Jones. I'd love to see it.

but didn't get Pastrano the decision in the Harold Johnson fight? Now that I think of it, I think some people said this was one of the biggest robberies ever. I have never watched it I think.

[IronDanHamza]

but didn't get Pastrano the decision in the Harold Johnson fight? Now that I think of it, I think some people said this was one of the biggest robberies ever. I have never watched it I think.

He got the decision but he didn't win the fight.

Go and watch and see for yourself. It's on Youtube.

Flat out running and missing pity pat jabs and being outlanded in the vast majority of rounds doesn't win you a fight.

[BennyST]

A lot of fighters actually got in the HOF mainly because of one big win. Willard is the perfect example (Jack Johnson win). Randy Turpin is also an example, and I am saying that as a big Turpin fan. Turpin was a beautiful boxer with a great jab and a good career, but the bottom line is he got in the HOF cause he beat Sugar Ray Robinson.
Joey Maxim also got into the HOF and I believe he got there mainly because he beat Sugar Ray Robinson at Light Heavyweight.
But it is always difficult to say, because back then politics were dirty just as they are now. That is why Charley Burley never got a title shot, but he is in the HOF.
So that tells us that the HOF doesn't ignore people just because they were never World Champion.

Maxim also beat Jersey Joe Walcott, Floyd Patterson, Gus Lesnevich, Freddie Mills and Jimmy Bivins along with Ray Robinson.

[raskat]

Maxim also beat Jersey Joe Walcott, Floyd Patterson, Gus Lesnevich, Freddie Mills and Jimmy Bivins along with Ray Robinson.

No disrespect to Freddie Mills, but he was known as a guy with average skills but tough as nails.
Walcott actually beat Maxim 2 out of 3 times.
And we have a split decision win over Bivins, yes. And I didn't know Maxim beat Patterson, quite an impressive win.
on topic: who are the top 5 most undeserving boxers in the HOF in your opinion?

[raskat]

He got the decision but he didn't win the fight.

Go and watch and see for yourself. It's on Youtube.

Flat out running and missing pity pat jabs and being outlanded in the vast majority of rounds doesn't win you a fight.

Indeed. Harold Johnson was beating him to the punch basically the whole fight. Especially in the 2nd half of the fight, Johnson was pretty much dominating him technically.
There is not a single round I felt you really HAVE to give to Pastrano. Pastrano was moving away, throwing jabs with which he didn't even try to connect (cause he didn't want to be close enough to get countered), while Johnson was outboxing him and landing all the punches. Considering that Johnson was the defending champion, you just know there was corruption involved, as so often in boxing.

[Mugwump]

The induction of McGuigan is a complex question.

Judged solely on his exploits in the ring, skill, resume etc. I think it's difficult to make a solid case. This is NOT to say he was a mediocre fighter. Far from it.

However, his case is helped enormously by the unique socio-political challenges he overcame fighting in Northern Ireland during the 80s. Not to mention the sterling work he did in a community torn apart by sectarian violence.

Whether such factors should be taken into account is another question. I mean, I can understand the argument that fighters should be judged solely on events inside of the ring. But I also think it would be wrong not to make allowances for exceptional circumstances which enrich the lives of others and promote the outstanding virtues of the sport.

[- Ram Raid -]

McGuigan is often mentioned as not deserving a place in the HoF with his resume being sited as proof that he doesn't belong there but this misses the crux of the issue entirely.

McGuigan's contribution to boxing can't be restricted to what he achieved inside the ropes. The story of his career was intimately linked to the political divisions and sectarian tensions in Northern Ireland during the height of the troubles. What set him apart as a sportsman in that country was his proactive approach to community reconciliation.

When he fought Pedroza, he refused to enter the ring with the tricolour or the Union Jack and instead went in under the flag of the United Nations, an emblem of peace that symbolised that he was fighting for harmony in Northern Ireland.

McGuigan's ability to unite the people of Northern Ireland during a time of intense ethnic violence is a laudable achievement. He attracted genuine cross-community support. If he's viewed in that cultural context then there's no way that he can't be a HoF inductee. You will not find another British boxer in the modern era who carries that kind of social meaning.

He transcended boxing and at the same time elevated boxing to a position of being socially and politically significant. That goes far beyond what can be achieved within the confines of the ropes. His narrative elevated the sport on these shores. That why he's in the Hall of Fame and that's why he deserves to be there.