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That does not strengthen your argument in Johnson's defense. Nobody is an authority. To me, Dempsey was better at slipping punches and moving out of the way and counter punching.
Jack Johnson was more in the business of clinching and pulling back. He was a grappler more so than a defensive master, although I do admit his defense was his strong point.
I still think that Dempsey had a better defensive skillset.Comment
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Would be one of the greatest fights ever if they fought each other in their prime.Comment
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both were great but i like dempsey in this one as i think he would simply land alttle more than johnson and take the match, johnson could be too stiff and cautious.Comment
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I think Dempsey's greater. I also think H2H Dempsey wins.Comment
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How is nobody an authority but you have the ability to deduce Dempsey was defensively more skilled? And if you think Johnson just clinched, pulled back and grappled rhan you are woefully out of your depth here my friend.
Does this strengthen my point?
"Consider that Nat Fleischer, the founder of Ring Magazine, who saw Johnson fight and those up to the Ali era, said, in his book Black Dynamite Vol 4., p. 6), “Jack Johnson boxed on his toes, could block from most any angle, was lightning fast on his feet, could feint an opponent into knots…he possessed everything a champion could hope for punch, speed, brains, cleverness, boxing ability and sharp-shooting.”
"Fleischer also reported in 1958, that Johnson’s “mastery of ring science, his ability to block, counter, and feint, are still unexcelled.”
John Durant wrote in The Heavyweight Champions of Johnson, “He was a genius in the ring. He was a flawless boxer with an almost perfect defense, and he could hit hard with either hand. A superb counter puncher, he was never off balance, always in position to hit, and he was a master of the art of feinting."
Jack Dempsey said of Johnson, “He was the greatest catcher of punches that ever lived (glove blocker). And he could fight all night. He was a combination of Jim Corbett and Louis. I’m glad I didn’t have to fight him.”
Jack Johnson was called by veterans Nat Fleischer, Charley Rose and others as the "greatest defensive heavyweight" because of his skillful glove blocking.
Former Middleweight Champion Stanley Ketchel, who fought and lost to Johnson, agrees that Johnson was unparalleled as a defensive fighter. Writing before the Johnson-Jeffries fight in the July 2, 1910 San Francisco Chronicle Ketchel described Johnson as “clever, fast, and the best blocker the pugilistic world has ever seen.” Those who saw him always described Johnson's defensive skills in this manner.
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Have to agree with JAB here, Johnson was a defensive master. I also rate him above Dempsey in my ATG heavyweight list.Comment
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How is nobody an authority but you have the ability to deduce Dempsey was defensively more skilled? And if you think Johnson just clinched, pulled back and grappled rhan you are woefully out of your depth here my friend.
Does this strengthen my point?
"Consider that Nat Fleischer, the founder of Ring Magazine, who saw Johnson fight and those up to the Ali era, said, in his book Black Dynamite Vol 4., p. 6), “Jack Johnson boxed on his toes, could block from most any angle, was lightning fast on his feet, could feint an opponent into knots…he possessed everything a champion could hope for punch, speed, brains, cleverness, boxing ability and sharp-shooting.”
"Fleischer also reported in 1958, that Johnson’s “mastery of ring science, his ability to block, counter, and feint, are still unexcelled.”
John Durant wrote in The Heavyweight Champions of Johnson, “He was a genius in the ring. He was a flawless boxer with an almost perfect defense, and he could hit hard with either hand. A superb counter puncher, he was never off balance, always in position to hit, and he was a master of the art of feinting."
Jack Dempsey said of Johnson, “He was the greatest catcher of punches that ever lived (glove blocker). And he could fight all night. He was a combination of Jim Corbett and Louis. I’m glad I didn’t have to fight him.”
Jack Johnson was called by veterans Nat Fleischer, Charley Rose and others as the "greatest defensive heavyweight" because of his skillful glove blocking.
Former Middleweight Champion Stanley Ketchel, who fought and lost to Johnson, agrees that Johnson was unparalleled as a defensive fighter. Writing before the Johnson-Jeffries fight in the July 2, 1910 San Francisco Chronicle Ketchel described Johnson as “clever, fast, and the best blocker the pugilistic world has ever seen.” Those who saw him always described Johnson's defensive skills in this manner.
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Good post,as far as who was greater,thats debatable,but Johnson was clearly the better defensive fighter,i think CarlosG needs to re-watch some footage and do some researchComment
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