fighters that would beat the Klitchkos

[B-Bomber]

Yeah true, but there are also more boxing fans in Germany, The Ukraine and wherever else overseas the Klitschko brothers fight. It's more of a fringe sport in the US today.

Boxing is a fringe sport, also in Europe.
I have lived in at least a couple of countries (not far from Germany) and I have never seen it being the top sport.

The Ex- Ussr area is generally growing, they start to have success, and money, in football, basketball and most other sports.

As for who can beat the K Bro's, I tend to agree with Ray.

They are both good, very good even, but not Great.
Same, in my opinion, can be said about Lewis , that went from underrated to terribly overrated.

I think Lewis would have a very hard time against Wlad, they fight in a rather similar manner and the fight would probably turn into a jab, jab, 1-2 fest.
I can even think of Wlad getting a UD.

Fighters I would consider favorites against Wlad are:

Foreman (similar reach, huge punch, good chin, would force Wlad to trade)
Liston (great jab, strong, tough )
Frazier (Prime Frazier could force Ali to trade, i don't see him getting scared of Wlad)
Ali
Louis

I'm not sure about Tyson, he -could- but -would- he?.

Ps: Scott, Galento had a terrific left hook, didn't wash himself before fighting, was one of the -dirtiest- (both literally and metaphorically) fighters ever. Back then you didn't have 32 cameras pointed at you during the bout.
I think he would destroy Wlad if they were fighting in some backyard arena in the 40-5's. I'm not saying he would be boxing, but I see him winning

PPs: For Wlad's fans. He would of course decision or KO Galento if allowed to box, I'm not saying Galento is better than Wlad, just to be clear

[Skittlez]

Boxing is a fringe sport, also in Europe.
I have lived in at least a couple of countries (not far from Germany) and I have never seen it being the top sport.

The Ex- Ussr area is generally growing, they start to have success, and money, in football, basketball and most other sports.

As for who can beat the K Bro's, I tend to agree with Ray.

They are both good, very good even, but not Great.
Same, in my opinion, can be said about Lewis , that went from underrated to terribly overrated.

I think Lewis would have a very hard time against Wlad, they fight in a rather similar manner and the fight would probably turn into a jab, jab, 1-2 fest.
I can even think of Wlad getting a UD.

Fighters I would consider favorites against Wlad are:

Foreman (similar reach, huge punch, good chin, would force Wlad to trade)
Liston (great jab, strong, tough )
Frazier (Prime Frazier could force Ali to trade, i don't see him getting scared of Wlad)
Ali
Louis

I'm not sure about Tyson, he -could- but -would- he?.

Ps: Scott, Galento had a terrific left hook, didn't wash himself before fighting, was one of the -dirtiest- (both literally and metaphorically) fighters ever. Back then you didn't have 32 cameras pointed at you during the bout.
I think he would destroy Wlad if they were fighting in some backyard arena in the 40-5's. I'm not saying he would be boxing, but I see him winning

PPs: For Wlad's fans. He would of course decision or KO Galento if allowed to box, I'm not saying Galento is better than Wlad, just to be clear

I didn't even read the rest of your post, I'm sure it's great but I have a add-on that notifies me whenever the name Lennox Lewis is mentioned.


I don't mean to insult you but it's very obvious you have not watched Lennox Lewis's career DVD Fight collection. I have watched every single Lennox Lewis fight from his debut to Vitali.

I also forced myself to watch every Wladimir fight and the fights of every heavyweight that anyone ever compared to Lewis.

Lennox and Wlad fight nothing alike.


Wladimir throws a beautiful jab, is very technical, attempts to keep the fight at range and throws the straight right.


Lennox on the other hand throws his jab but at times do not put his full force behind it with the reason being he will usually follow up with multiple combinations during his prime, from the right/overhand to the left hook body shot, from the overhand right to the upper cut.right hook cross.

Against Mercer. in in the 2nd half of that fight.. Lennox's pattern will go
jab jab body combination body combination.. He broke Mercer down and he broke Bruno down via well timed counters,body shots,upper cuts, hooks and a variety of offensive arsenalic attacks.

Lennox's straight right is just as powerful as Wlad's, actually even more so, but you don't see him apply it as much because he got a much much wider offensive arsenal.

Lewis also had a good inside game for a super heavy.. his inside game isn't on par with Bowe's (who had the best inside game of any big man ever) but it's miles ahead of Wlad.

Wlad will clinch when you get close and push you away in an effort to get his jab rotation going again and box from the outside.


Lewis on the other hand will clinch you and start working the inside via body shots,upper cuts, short left hooks, and a variety of Hopkins Like tactics (employed not as skillful as the Con Artist himself, but still impressive for a 240+ pound man). Lennox also proven he can turn any fight into a Pier Six Brawl. Vitali,Ruddock,Mercer,Grant,Golota,Mason,Bruno,Bri ggs- when Lennox come to ****.. HE COME TO ****. His chin is also severely underrated.. he took monster shots from big time punchersVitali,Briggs,Golota,Ruddock,Morrison,Brun o,Grant etc...


Wlad might be slightly better from a technical stand point, but he is no where near as offensively brilliant or as good inside as Lewis.

Lennox's counter punching abilities is another aspect of which I am extremely impressed by, his employment of the shoulder roll defensive pick up against Briggs was beautiful to see.

Briggs throwing wildly into the Lewis Shoulder roll only to get heavily countered and knocked down by a wonderful Lennox combination.


The ONLY thing that Wlad and Lennox share is a common weakness in holding their hands too low at times.. And even than Lennox is less at risk than Wlad because of the superior chin and reflexes.


So many boxing fans think of Lewis as the aging Veteran that knocked out Tyson and as the Shot to Pieces tko6 warrior.. we forget just how athletic and explosive Lennox was during his prime and his youth.


I like Wlad.. I really do.

No Version of Wlad beats Lennox.

[Barry Halls]

Skittlez,

Stop pretending to be a fan of Wladimir to justify your trolling. You just said in a different thread that watching Wladimir is about as boring as you can imagine.

You should be banned as you are just as bad as the guys talking about the Klitschkos being greatest of all time, or the Floyd/Pac fanatical morons.



All,

How would Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Wlad or Vitali look? It would be a different fight vs. either as they are not that much alike, but pick either matchup.

[Skittlez]

Skittlez,

Stop pretending to be a fan of Wladimir to justify your trolling. You just said in a different thread that watching Wladimir is about as boring as you can imagine.

You should be banned as you are just as bad as the guys talking about the Klitschkos being greatest of all time, or the Floyd/Pac fanatical morons.



All,

How would Ike Ibeabuchi vs. Wlad or Vitali look? It would be a different fight vs. either as they are not that much alike, but pick either matchup.

1-How am I trolling?

I simply stated that Wlad and Lennox don't really fight alike.

Wlad isn't beating Lennox.

I stated in another thread Wlad is boring?

SO what. He is boring. That don't mean I dislike him.

I dislike Vitali. I like Wlad.


Ike would have knocked out Wladimir cold if Ike didn't went to prison.

Pre Steward Wlad would try to **** with the Iron Chin Ike and gotten knocked out cold.

Prime Wlad vs Ike that fought Tua is a 50/50 fight.

But Pre-Steward Wlad's worst nightmare is someone like Ike.

[Simurgh]

Vitali vs Ike, something as Vitali vs Peter, although Ike is better fighter Vitali takes him out in late rounds.

Wlad box him to wide UD, or Ike's trainer stops the fight.

[Simurgh]

1-How am I trolling?

I simply stated that Wlad and Lennox don't really fight alike.

Wlad isn't beating Lennox.

I stated in another thread Wlad is boring?

SO what. He is boring. That don't mean I dislike him.

I dislike Vitali. I like Wlad.


Ike would have knocked out Wladimir cold if Ike didn't went to prison.

Pre Steward Wlad would try to **** with the Iron Chin Ike and gotten knocked out cold.

Prime Wlad vs Ike that fought Tua is a 50/50 fight.

But Pre-Steward Wlad's worst nightmare is someone like Ike.

I find this somehow exaggerated. This is based on 1 fight out of 40. Pre-steward Wlad beat Byrd, Botha, Mercer, McCline among the others...

It's not like Wlad prior to Steward wasn't a great fighter, he just became an extraordinary one with Steward. I remember Manny commented on HBO when Wlad fought Mercer how he is impressed and he said he sees Wlad as an only Lennox's threat.

Wlad that fought Mercer would still dominate this division.

[Cardinal Buck]

His opponents have gotten far worse.

Poet

bull**** as usual from you

[StarshipTrooper]

bull**** as usual from you

Past six years:

Wach
Thompson x2
Mormeck
Chicken **** Haye
Washed up out of shape Peter
Chambers
Chagaev
Washed up Rahman
Ibragimov
Fat out of shape Brewster
Austin

Vs

Byrd x2
In prime in shape Peter
Williamson
In shape Brewster
Nicholson
Sanders
McCline
Washed up Mercer
Botha
Jefferson
Barrett

Sorry dude, but the class of fighter (while not great by any means) Wlad was fighting around the time he got KTFO twice craps all over his opponents the last six years.

Poet

[Cardinal Buck]

Past six years:

Wach
Thompson x2
Mormeck
Chicken **** Haye
Washed up out of shape Peter
Chambers
Chagaev
Washed up Rahman
Ibragimov
Fat out of shape Brewster
Austin

Vs

Byrd x2
In prime in shape Peter
Williamson
In shape Brewster
Nicholson
Sanders
McCline
Washed up Mercer
Botha
Jefferson
Barrett

Sorry dude, but the class of fighter (while not great by any means) Wlad was fighting around the time he got KTFO twice craps all over his opponents the last six years.

Poet

Peter came after the Brewster fight. I admit that Sanders is an outlier and stylistic nightmare for Wlad.

Other than those two, the best fighters are Ibragimov, Chagaev, Thompson, Byrd (no, he doesn't easily beat these guys who I'm listing which is why he struggled with Golota and McCline), and Chambers. Brewster and McCline were a step or two worse than those guys. The Brewster fights are good examples of what exactly changed about Wlad's style.

So I don't see it. I expect you to discredit Ibragimov and Chagaev, but they were both undefeated technical guys who held titles and were never in danger of losing a fight going in.

[crold1]

Peter came after the Brewster fight. I admit that Sanders is an outlier and stylistic nightmare for Wlad.

Other than those two, the best fighters are Ibragimov, Chagaev, Thompson, Byrd (no, he doesn't easily beat these guys who I'm listing which is why he struggled with Golota and McCline), and Chambers. Brewster and McCline were a step or two worse than those guys. The Brewster fights are good examples of what exactly changed about Wlad's style.

So I don't see it. I expect you to discredit Ibragimov and Chagaev, but they were both undefeated technical guys who held titles and were never in danger of losing a fight going in.

Chagaev can get underrated. Solid fighter. Ibragimov was never in danger of losing? The draw with Austin? Ibragimov is evidence of how mediocre a fighter can end up with a belt if enough are around.