Wlad will tie Joe Louis with his next KO.

[Joeyzagz]

Honestly I didnt think hed make it after going 12 with Haye, but after two consecutive defenses against 40 year olds he is on the brink of surpassing the great Joe Louis.

Carnera has the all time record at 72 KOs for a Heavyweight champion.

[Mintcar923]

Honestly I didnt think hed make it after going 12 with Haye, but after two consecutive defenses against 40 year olds he is on the brink of surpassing the great Joe Louis.

Carnera has the all time record at 72 KOs for a Heavyweight champion.

No offense but (yawn)

[StarshipTrooper]

Honestly I didnt think hed make it after going 12 with Haye, but after two consecutive defenses against 40 year olds he is on the brink of surpassing the great Joe Louis.

Carnera has the all time record at 72 KOs for a Heavyweight champion.

Has he made 25 defenses of a unified Championship? No? Then he ain't tying nobody's record :cool9:

[TheGreatA]

Honestly I didnt think hed make it after going 12 with Haye, but after two consecutive defenses against 40 year olds he is on the brink of surpassing the great Joe Louis.

Carnera has the all time record at 72 KOs for a Heavyweight champion.

Which is all that needs to be said about the meaningfulness of KO records and percentages. Carnera was a decent big man for his time but no puncher.

With Wladimir facing the kind of competition that he is, we might as well count Louis's numerous exhibition fights (including ones against far more legitimate competition than Wladimir is facing) into his record. In that case his amount of KO's would be in the hundreds.

Louis flattened the likes of Elmer "Violent" Ray, Nino Valdes, Roscoe Toles among others in those "exhibition" fights.

Here is an example of such an exhibition against a man who had challenged Ezzard Charles for the heavyweight title months earlier Pat Valentino:

[Earl-Hickey]

And nobody will care...

[TBear]

Has he made 25 defenses of a unified Championship? No? Then he ain't tying nobody's record :cool9:

Modern fans have a hard time understanding this.

[StarshipTrooper]

Modern fans have a hard time understanding this.

It can easily be said that unless you unify all the titles you're not really a champion but just a belt holder.

Poet

[Daddy T]

I got respect for wlad he's fought the best available - he's certainly achieved more and taken more risks than his brother, he's the number 1 heavyweight in the world, people can hate all they want and say he's not great etc but fact is nobody seems to be ab le to beat him. I'd like to see him fight, Fury, Price and Mitchell before he retires

[Anthony342]

It can easily be said that unless you unify all the titles you're not really a champion but just a belt holder.

Poet

I've also heard it said you can be considered a champion if you're a Ring or lineal champion. Do you not agree with that?

[StarshipTrooper]

I've also heard it said you can be considered a champion if you're a Ring or lineal champion. Do you not agree with that?

The problem with the lineal route is that you then end up with dudes like Shannon Briggs as the Heavyweight champion (He was: He won it from George Foreman who won it from Michael Moorer). I find that rather unpalatable.

The Ring Champion had promise at one time but like most things that get started with good intentions but no means of enforcing it eventually ran out of steam and now they're even backpeddling on their criteria for crowning their champs. Hell, too many weight classes don't even HAVE a Ring Champion.

Really, the only way this mess is going to be fixed is to have all these Alphacrap organizations go belly-up and we can get back to having ONE champion in each division. Right now you can get a belt out of a gumball machine and call yourself "champ".

Poet