Who hit harder, Tyson or Marciano?

[butterfly1964]

tyson's biggest win was a 91 second KO of blown up LHW michael spinks or an over the hill larry holmes. those were the only two good quality fighters who tyson EVER beat.

marciano fought LEGENDS like joe louis, jersey joe walcott, archie moore, and ezzard charles.

ur right, he didnt fight the same type of fighters tyson did, rocky's competition was vastly superior.

archie moore a legend? he was a beast at lhw, but at 184lb. he was crap. charles was a natural mw or lhw, so he was all wrong at 180 some odd pounds. walcott was a natural lhw. the fact that you bring up that spinks was blown-up is ****** cause moore, charles, and watcott were blown up as well, and it took 13 rounds for marciano to beat walcott the first time, he couldn't even ko charles the first time and the 2nd time it took 8 rounds to do it. and it took him 9 rounds to finish moore, and he couldn't even keep archie on the canvas in the first knoockdown, and it took four tries to ko moore, and moore has a glass chin. tyson ko'd spinks in 91 seconds and was given no trouble at all. and also the fact that you bring up that holmes was over the hill when tyson fought him is also ****** cause so was louis when he fought marciano and it took marciano 8 rounds to finish a washed-up louis. holmes was destroyed in three rounds by tyson. how is marciano's competiton far superior when even when they were blown up they weren't heavyweights. tyson fought hw's. do you actually think tyson would lose to any of the people marciano fought. i guarantee you he would ko every single one in 4 rounds or less. so your argument is here on end rendered null and void.

[butterfly1964]

YOU ARE A ****ING MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! weight is not the defining factor in punching power and it does not i repeat not determine who is a better boxer. every time you post you look like a complete idiot with your retoric about weight. another ****** post from butterfly.

you are the moron, and the blockhead lol! you say weight is not a defining factor. so that means a natural 120lb. man can ko a natural 250lb. man? well, you said it's a non-factor, so weight doesn't matter. why do you think they have weight classes if it's a non-factor as you say. it's a non-factor if you are a natural, say 190lb. and you weigh 220lb. and the guy you are fighting is a natural 210lb. and actually weighs 210lb.! but a natural 180lb. fighter like marciano fighting a natural 220lb. fighter in tyson who has 220lb. power will stand no chance power wise. if marciano can hit that hard then his natural weight would be more than 180, wouldn't it? whatever one's natural weight is then that is a good indication of how powerful he is!

[RoundByRound]

Look at it this way.

I think the difference in punching power is obvious when you look at the styles. Marciano being the smaller fighter that he was would reach all the way back, much farther than most heavyweights, since most heavyweights that try to fight like that get beat badly (Marciano was an exception because he was incredibly tough and resiliant). I mean he really reaches back to get those haymakers. Now take tyson. In his prime he easily K.O.'d his opponents with precise punching. Uppercuts and tight hooks were his speciality. His punching speed was increased because he attained K.O. power while using tight punches, which also aided his defense. Now if you take Tyson throwing a Marciano haymaker, and landing it with Marciano's skill, the difference in punching power would be obvious. So I think Tyson hit much harder than Marciano.

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butterfly

im gonna repeat my question

do you box yourself?

also what exactly do you mean by natural weight?

[TheEvilSaint]

archie moore a legend? he was a beast at lhw, but at 184lb. he was crap. charles was a natural mw or lhw, so he was all wrong at 180 some odd pounds. walcott was a natural lhw. the fact that you bring up that spinks was blown-up is ****** cause moore, charles, and watcott were blown up as well, and it took 13 rounds for marciano to beat walcott the first time, he couldn't even ko charles the first time and the 2nd time it took 8 rounds to do it. and it took him 9 rounds to finish moore, and he couldn't even keep archie on the canvas in the first knoockdown, and it took four tries to ko moore, and moore has a glass chin. tyson ko'd spinks in 91 seconds and was given no trouble at all. and also the fact that you bring up that holmes was over the hill when tyson fought him is also ****** cause so was louis when he fought marciano and it took marciano 8 rounds to finish a washed-up louis. holmes was destroyed in three rounds by tyson. how is marciano's competiton far superior when even when they were blown up they weren't heavyweights. tyson fought hw's. do you actually think tyson would lose to any of the people marciano fought. i guarantee you he would ko every single one in 4 rounds or less. so your argument is here on end rendered null and void.

i love it when morons like you make a REALLY ****TY arguement then say that "i just owned you" closing statement when all they did was rant and rave and hold on to tyson's nuts for dear life and make ridiculous biased statements with no truth at all. thank you for making me feel so superior.

moore was crap? that statement alone should put u in line to be banned for sheer ignorance. moore has more KOs than anyone in history, the 2nd longest LHW title reign in history, fought true legends all throughout his career and was in the game for longer than 1/4 century. can tyson say that?... no.

the only reason you say they were blown up cuz they never weighed more than 200 lbs. heres some inside info, 90% of all HW champions would be considered CWs cuz of today's ****** weight standards.

"took marciano 13 rounds to KO walcott the 1st time"? "couldnt even KO charles the 1st time and took him 8 rounds to do it the 2nd time"? "took him 9 rounds to KO moore and couldnt even keep him down after the 1st KD"? "moore had a glass chin"? im not even going to bother insulting you about these statements. theyre just too horrendous to merit a flame contest.

spinks was a *****. he was scared out of his mind to put up a fight with tyson. moore wasnt scared. and he was KDd 5 times against rocky cuz he had something spinks didnt: HEART. spinks stayed down cuz he was a scared *****. saying that "rocky couldnt even keep moore down" is one of the worst arguements i have ever heard and trust me, ive heard a LOT of dumbass arguements.

who did tyson fight? a blown up LHW spinks, a 39 year old holmes, evander holyfield who smacked tyson around like a *****, and lennox lewis who battered tyson into dust.

who did rocky fight? an old joe louis, jersey joe walcott, ezzard charles, and archie moore.

you know what the funny thing is? tyson is 2-4 against quality opposition. rocky is 6-0 against his quality opposition.

rocky hit harder, and you cant prove that he didnt.

[Sir Fancylot]

the more I look at this section, the more idiots I see.

Tyson's punching power had less to do with his KOs than his in-your-face relentless approach. Marciano hit like a mother****er.

[butterfly1964]

i love it when morons like you make a REALLY ****TY arguement then say that "i just owned you" closing statement when all they did was rant and rave and hold on to tyson's nuts for dear life and make ridiculous biased statements with no truth at all. thank you for making me feel so superior.

moore was crap? that statement alone should put u in line to be banned for sheer ignorance. moore has more KOs than anyone in history, the 2nd longest LHW title reign in history, fought true legends all throughout his career and was in the game for longer than 1/4 century. can tyson say that?... no.

the only reason you say they were blown up cuz they never weighed more than 200 lbs. heres some inside info, 90% of all HW champions would be considered CWs cuz of today's ****** weight standards. "took marciano 13 rounds to KO walcott the 1st time"? "couldnt even KO charles the 1st time and took him 8 rounds to do it the 2nd time"? "took him 9 rounds to KO moore and couldnt even keep him down after the 1st KD"? "moore had a glass chin"? im not even going to bother insulting you about these statements. theyre just too horrendous to merit a flame contest.

spinks was a *****. he was scared out of his mind to put up a fight with tyson. moore wasnt scared. and he was KDd 5 times against rocky cuz he had something spinks didnt: HEART. spinks stayed down cuz he was a scared *****. saying that "rocky couldnt even keep moore down" is one of the worst arguements i have ever heard and trust me, ive heard a LOT of dumbass arguements.

who did tyson fight? a blown up LHW spinks, a 39 year old holmes, evander holyfield who smacked tyson around like a *****, and lennox lewis who battered tyson into dust.

who did rocky fight? an old joe louis, jersey joe walcott, ezzard charles, and archie moore.

you know what the funny thing is? tyson is 2-4 against quality opposition. rocky is 6-0 against his quality opposition.

rocky hit harder, and you cant prove that he didnt.

woooow! you are full of ****! i never said moore wasn't a great light hw, i even said he was a beast at lhw! but was he a great hw? no! because he lost to marciano and a year later was obliterated by patterson for the vacant title. he didn't do crap in the hw division. and he does have a glass chin because if he didn't then he wouldn't be ko'd in the first round by a middle weight if he was a great hw as you say. with a chin like that it seems that 185lb marciano should do worst to moore right? but no, marciano had to keep knocking him down and finally he stayed down in the ninth, which says alot about marciano's punching power if a middleweight nobody has heard of ko'd moore in the first and marciano a supposed hw was given hell by moore. we're talking about hw not lhw. do you know why he wasn't a good hw? because he wasn't a natural hw, which means that he is more at home fighting in a lesser weight class. he fought at middleweight for several years and was a top contender. he was lhw champion and probably the greatest lhw of all time, i'll give him that. but he tried to move up in weight and that doesn't work if that is not your natural weight. charles fought at middleweight for years, so he is not a natural hw either. walcott also started at a lower weight class and fought there for some time. so they are BLOWN UP! alright, spinks was scared and that led to his downfall. but my point is that marciano fought 180lbers and tyson fought 220lbers. now do you think that marciano would do the same things he did to 180lb fighters to 220lbers. no, because they are bigger and would take punches better. and tyson would not struggle against moore, walcott, charles, louis, and marciano for that matter, all you did was try to find holes in my argument, which never existed, because you started saying that moore was a great lhw, which i said already and i'm not denying you. please answer me one question. do you think tyson would lose to any of the people marciano fought, 'cause if you do, then you have serious mental problems.

[Dempsey1238]

Moore did beat the top heavyweight contenders of the day, like Vales, and JIMMY BIVINS, Bob Baker, and a host of other heavyweight contenders,

Its not like Moore did not earn his shot at Marciano,

And if your juding by Leonard Morrow ko of Moore, Moore had a very busy schudle, fighting like 12 times a year or so.

Almost unheard of. For Today.

I put a lot of stock in Marciano's win over Moore.

[Pugnacious_Z]

tyson hit harder then marciano for sure, 180lb hard puncher vs a 220lb hard puncher, the 220lb has to win. ill tell u dis, there are time where a 140lb fighter can hit harder then a 200lb fighter but dats coz the 140lb fighter has a decastating punch and the 200lb fighter has a crap punch. if u get 2 guys who both punch very hard for their weight, then its common sense to say the heavier will hit harder. but it cant be 100% certain unless if their was a force machine or sumthing which they both yoused.

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butterfly

im gonna repeat my question

do you box yourself?

also what exactly do you mean by natural weight?