Why do so many hardcore boxing fans like to pretend that De La Hoya isn't an ATG?

[CarlosG815]

If Oscar doesn't make the ATG cut, then there are a lot of guys who don't make the cut.

Oscar is an ATG.

His record has all the who's who on it and regardless of bogus judging I think we need to consider that he did indeed beat Tito and he should also have a W over a Shane Mosley who was nonetheless abusing steroids at the time that he was defeated.

[TheMelvern]

only johnny come latelys say that shit about the belts
Pac's rep rests on what he did at 126-130, the rest is extra garnish
and what good is fighting all the best names if you lose to them?
it's not a crime for Oscar to have lost the fights he lost
the guys who beat him are great in their own right
but we're talking about ATG status, being called one of the best ever
you can't get it if you lose more really big fights than you win

The hype exploded after the De La Hoya fight. Pacquiao was considered an ATG for beating Barrera(good win), getting out boxed by a fading(they thought) Morales he was supposed to beat and rematching the right versions of Morales, then getting a draw along with a controversial SD against JMM...you clearly have an agenda against De La Hoya along with so many other people. Lets face it, Pacquiao at 126-130 is an ATG, Barrera is an ATG, Morales is an ATG, but De La Hoya is not because he was the "golden boy" and he wore fishnets. Even in his losses he gave good performances, barring 2 of course. Prime, healthy De La Hoya could throw it down with any one and he was a top of the line boxer from the amateurs, to the pros. You have to recognize his level of skill. To each their own I guess.

[BigStereotype]

If Oscar doesn't make the ATG cut, then there are a lot of guys who don't make the cut.

Oscar is an ATG.

His record has all the who's who on it and regardless of bogus judging I think we need to consider that he did indeed beat Tito and he should also have a W over a Shane Mosley who was nonetheless abusing steroids at the time that he was defeated.

Yeah, that about sums it up.

[Flo_Raiden]

I think people also have to remember how much of an impact Oscar did to boxing. I don't see why people wouldn't place him as an ATG. He's a first ballot HoF and an ATG fighter IMO, just a notch below other great fighters he's fought such as Whitaker, Chavez, B-Hop, Mayweather, and Pacquiao. I think he rates higher than Trinidad and Mosley.
The guy had a little bit 'SRL' aura in him at a time.

[Scott9945]

I think people also have to remember how much of an impact Oscar did to boxing. I don't see why people wouldn't place him as an ATG. He's a first ballot HoF and an ATG fighter IMO, just a notch below other great fighters he's fought such as Whitaker, Chavez, B-Hop, Mayweather, and Pacquiao. I think he rates higher than Trinidad and Mosley.
The guy had a little bit 'SRL' aura in him at a time.

No doubt that DLH is an ATG box office attraction. The only two of those other ATG's he beat were on the decline when he fought them. Even if he does rate higher than Trinidad or Mosley, that still leaves him well short of being an ATG. De La Hoya was a well promoted fighter who either failed or barely won his biggest fights. Unless you want to count Vargas as anything special.

[Barn]

Just watched the Quartey fight and De La Hoya definitely lost that one in my eyes.

[CarlosG815]

Just watched the Quartey fight and De La Hoya definitely lost that one in my eyes.

What was your card?

[Barn]

What was your card?

1 Round Quartey. I didn't think many of the rounds were that close though. Most of the time whoever won, won decisively.

[bojangles1987]

Just watched the Quartey fight and De La Hoya definitely lost that one in my eyes.

Agreed. Pretty sure Quartey won like 5 or 6 straight rounds at one point the last time I watched that fight. I thought it was a screwjob.

[CarlosG815]

1 Round Quartey. I didn't think many of the rounds were that close though. Most of the time whoever won, won decisively.

I meant which rounds like a round by round