Why do so many hardcore boxing fans like to pretend that De La Hoya isn't an ATG?

[MJ223]

Hof'er yes ATG NO

[BigStereotype]

I wouldn't consider him a top 100 guy, which is my soft cutoff for "ATG." Am I going to take the time to list out 100 fighters better than him? Hell no, but my gut feeling is that he's not.

[TheMelvern]

Oscar De La Hoya is a sure ATG boxer. If some one says he is not than they either have an agenda against him or they dont know what they are talking about.

[Jack Napier]

DLH is a HOF'er for sure, but he is not an ATG
the guy lost too many of the fights that really mattered for him
the guys he beat weren't as good as the guys he lost too
people put too much emphasis on belt collection

[TheMelvern]

DLH is a HOF'er for sure, but he is not an ATG
the guy lost too many of the fights that really mattered for him
the guys he beat weren't as good as the guys he lost too
people put too much emphasis on belt collection

People put too much emphasis on losses.

[F l i c k e r]

He's an ATG. Stop hatin.

[Jack Napier]

People put too much emphasis on losses.

having a great resume is nice
having a great record against the names on that resume is better

[TheMelvern]

having a great resume is nice
having a great record against the names on that resume is better

I dont hate Oscar, cant say the same for most of this forum whether it be because of his fishnet scandal, his personality, or something else. The guy is an ATG. You say people place too much emphasis on belt collection, well do you remember what people every where started saying when Pacquiao passed up Oscar for that 7th division? Why is Pacquiao so great? First thing people say is "won titles in 8 divisions, who else has done that?" Some times people put too much emphasis on names. Pacquiaos stock started sky rocketing from the De La Hoya fight, the main thing that looks good on his resume from the De La Hoya fight and on is the names. Having a great record against names can be deceiving.

[BigStereotype]

I dont hate Oscar, cant say the same for most of this forum whether it be because of his fishnet scandal, his personality, or something else. The guy is an ATG. You say people place too much emphasis on belt collection, well do you remember what people every where started saying when Pacquiao passed up Oscar for that 7th division? Why is Pacquiao so great? First thing people say is "won titles in 8 divisions, who else has done that?" Some times people put too much emphasis on names. Pacquiaos stock started sky rocketing from the De La Hoya fight, the main thing that looks good on his resume from the De La Hoya fight and on is the names. Having a great record against names can be deceiving.

Pacquiao's greatness is mostly from his explosive wins at the lower weights. The weight climbing is just gravy. Anyone who says otherwise just doesn't get it.

[Jack Napier]

I dont hate Oscar, cant say the same for most of this forum whether it be because of his fishnet scandal, his personality, or something else. The guy is an ATG. You say people place too much emphasis on belt collection, well do you remember what people every where started saying when Pacquiao passed up Oscar for that 7th division? Why is Pacquiao so great? First thing people say is "won titles in 8 divisions, who else has done that?" Some times people put too much emphasis on names. Pacquiaos stock started sky rocketing from the De La Hoya fight, the main thing that looks good on his resume from the De La Hoya fight and on is the names. Having a great record against names can be deceiving.

only johnny come latelys say that shit about the belts
Pac's rep rests on what he did at 126-130, the rest is extra garnish
and what good is fighting all the best names if you lose to them?
it's not a crime for Oscar to have lost the fights he lost
the guys who beat him are great in their own right
but we're talking about ATG status, being called one of the best ever
you can't get it if you lose more really big fights than you win