Joseph Louis Barrow

[KidBlackie]

Really, GIFT decisions... i have never seen any of these, watch LOUIS fight, and its only inadequate in relation to Alis footwork, thus in a match his footwork would be inadequate against MUHAMMAD ALI not in general. Having a better record does not make you a better fighter, Ali fought extremely good opponents... beat 3 greats, won the championship 3 times... i view that 'record' as better then Joes.

Joe never lost his title. I guess if he lost and regained it 3Xs you'd think he was better than Ali. Joe fought harder comp coming up and was fighting at a much higher level before he retired. Joe never got beat by a Neon Leon. Now go backwards from Leon and start adding up those gifts Ali got.

[Imira]

Joe never lost his title. I guess if he lost and regained it 3Xs you'd think he was better than Ali. Joe fought harder comp coming up and was fighting at a much higher level before he retired. Joe never got beat by a Neon Leon. Now go backwards from Leon and start adding up those gifts Ali got.

Perfectly stated.

[butterfly1964]

Joe never lost his title. I guess if he lost and regained it 3Xs you'd think he was better than Ali. Joe fought harder comp coming up and was fighting at a much higher level before he retired. Joe never got beat by a Neon Leon. Now go backwards from Leon and start adding up those gifts Ali got.

ali lost his title to the u.s. govt the first time, not in the ring. ali was older when fighting spinks than louis was at his last title defense, and louis supposedly got some gift wins at the end. almost all of ali's losses were because of the layoff.

[Skydog]

ali lost his title to the u.s. govt the first time, not in the ring. ali was older when fighting spinks than louis was at his last title defense, and louis supposedly got some gift wins at the end. almost all of ali's losses were because of the layoff.

Ali got some gift wins, as well. That 3rd fight against Norton was definetly a win by Norton. Ali gave the worst performance of his career against a Jimmy Young, and easily lost, but because of his popularit, he won a split decision.

Just put it this way: Ali lost everything he had in his last fight with Frazier, and Louis lost everything he had in his fights with Walcott.

[Imira]

Ali got some gift wins, as well. That 3rd fight against Norton was definetly a win by Norton. Ali gave the worst performance of his career against a Jimmy Young, and easily lost, but because of his popularit, he won a split decision.

Just put it this way: Ali lost everything he had in his last fight with Frazier, and Louis lost everything he had in his fights with Walcott.

I wouldn't say he lost everything he had in the Walcott fights. He was still able to come out of retirement and win clear decisions (no gifts) over top-ranked competition. It was his KO at the hands of Marciano, who was 10 years younger, that took it all out of him.

[Da Iceman]

after that ezzard charles fight he was done

[Heckler]

Ali beat the big 3... FRAZIER, FOREMAN, LISTON... Joe Louis didn't do anything that equates to that.. Ali got a gift decision against YOUNG AND NORTON... thats it. Ali was fighting after 3 years of inactivity and still managed to make a huge impact, with the loss of his 3 prime years. Its not just the ring record, but the sheer level of ability in the ring... And Joe wouldn't beat Ali... Beautiful technical skills, however he would really struggle because he had old school shuffling footwork, and he dropped his Left hand too low, Ali would pick him off from the periphery with his right cross.... someone with a perfect orthodox style would really struggle with an unorthodox boxer like Ali.... Kidblackie you obviously have something against Ali, i know theres lots of nuthuggers out there that don't see any of his flaws, but i do and yet i still come to the conclusion hes the best... and these GIFT decisions are blown way out of proportion by Ali haters.

[Imira]

Louis did not carry his left hand too low after the first Schmelling fight. Besides, where he carried his left hand wasn't even the reason he lost the fight in the first place.

As far as fighters "picking him off from the outside", that's a bold statement. Louis was a master of parrying, feinting and slipping punches on his way in. His defensive ability would give Ali fits if he tried to play "keep away" with Louis from the outside.

Ali had the tools to outpoint Louis, but the decision would be closer than most people think.

[Da Iceman]

i think louis would catch a prime ali(who had no chin) on the ropes and ko him

[M26]

i think louis would catch a prime ali(who had no chin) on the ropes and ko him

I also believe that Joe Louis could defeat a prime Muhammad Ali, but I don't see him winning by ko. A late tko at best.

Muhammad Ali had no chin? I beg to differ. I consider him to have one of the most solid chins in heavyweight history.