Joseph Louis Barrow

[Rusty Tromboni]

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Ali was 188 vs Alex Miteff in 1961.

Joe never got as tubby as Ali, but by his end he'd worked into the 220s.

And when Ali was in grade school he weighed the same as Jimmy Wilde...

Ali was larger than Louis when both were in their prime. Ali, on the whole, fought men who were bigger and physically more impressive than Louis did.

[Rusty Tromboni]

You again perverted reality. Don't worry about my feelings lol. I made a point about the perception of two famous fighters. If you knew so much you would see that it is self evident that Dempsey wrote a famous book about punching. You would know about how Louis was trained...

These are all self evident Rusty. Whats your argument? there is nothng to argue. You just do not like these two fighters lol. My dog is attacking me... needs me to be downstairs for breakfast so gotta run!

I'm glad I didn't hurt your feelings. You're one of the good ones Billeau. And often times my posts come across much differently than I intended.

[billeau2]

I'm glad I didn't hurt your feelings. You're one of the good ones Billeau. And often times my posts come across much differently than I intended.

Without the public loving a fighter boxing matches might as well be intelligent apes battling over who gets the monkey meat killed. You often say that certain fighters should get more respect...This is true. But we need embellishments and the myth of the greatest to even begin to consider the accomplishments of a Greb, a Joe Gans, A Mickey Walker, etc.

[Rusty Tromboni]

You again perverted reality. Don't worry about my feelings lol. I made a point about the perception of two famous fighters. If you knew so much you would see that it is self evident that Dempsey wrote a famous book about punching. You would know about how Louis was trained...

These are all self evident Rusty. Whats your argument? there is nothng to argue. You just do not like these two fighters lol. My dog is attacking me... needs me to be downstairs for breakfast so gotta run!

You ignored basic facts. Even if you're talking only about Heavyweights: Sullivan, Fitz (a champion, so we'll count him), and Langford were all legendary punchers before Dempsey primed.

You also created a false bifurcation between Louis and Ali.

And I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that I don't like them...
They're Tweeners. So that hurts them. But my honesty and integrity doesn't amount to "dislike".

[billeau2]

You ignored basic facts. Even if you're talking only about Heavyweights: Sullivan, Fitz (a champion, so we'll count him), and Langford were all legendary punchers before Dempsey primed.

You also created a false bifurcation between Louis and Ali.

And I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that I don't like them...
They're Tweeners. So that hurts them. But my honesty and integrity doesn't amount to "dislike".

You accuse me at times of storytelling. Well this is one of those times...Facts in this case are irrelevant as compared to perceptions. History is about the perception of events, and in boxing the heavyweight division is, the premier division according to the common man.

Heavyweight fighters have come to encapsulate the times... Dempsey the roaring twenties...and with Ali and Louis both men bookend two game changing wars that were fought. Both men became a sign of these times... As ********** with a social conscience, their broad shoulders were put upon. Both men came to be admired and respected, their greatness not to be chafed from the perception that they both acted with great courage and conviction. Even if their actions were different, and even if Louis was all about the status quo while Ali was about new and turbulent times ahead.

Boxers punch each other in the face, and facts about who does it better are wonderful. But men like my father, who fought in the second and saw Vietnam unfold, loved Louis and Ali. And that was the basis of my comments, not who actually punched faces better.

In other words, the perception of both men, who were so different yet both generous to a fault, talented beyond measure, and recognized by a generation as the epitome of heavyweight success. Again, perception is the key word here.

Regarding Dempsey? Dempsey wrote the definitive tome on punching. This was an incredible fiat. That makes him very special because it shows that he knew his art well enough to break it down and teach it to a moron. That is after all, what it takes to be a great teacher, isn't it Rusty? The smart kids will get it, but can we teach so we give them a bone, and allow the slow kids to understand the material?

[Rusty Tromboni]

You accuse me at times of storytelling. Well this is one of those times...Facts in this case are irrelevant as compared to perceptions. History is about the perception of events, and in boxing the heavyweight division is, the premier division according to the common man.

Heavyweight fighters have come to encapsulate the times... Dempsey the roaring twenties...and with Ali and Louis both men bookend two game changing wars that were fought. Both men became a sign of these times... As ********** with a social conscience, their broad shoulders were put upon. Both men came to be admired and respected, their greatness not to be chafed from the perception that they both acted with great courage and conviction. Even if their actions were different, and even if Louis was all about the status quo while Ali was about new and turbulent times ahead.

Boxers punch each other in the face, and facts about who does it better are wonderful. But men like my father, who fought in the second and saw Vietnam unfold, loved Louis and Ali. And that was the basis of my comments, not who actually punched faces better.

In other words, the perception of both men, who were so different yet both generous to a fault, talented beyond measure, and recognized by a generation as the epitome of heavyweight success. Again, perception is the key word here.

Regarding Dempsey? Dempsey wrote the definitive tome on punching. This was an incredible fiat. That makes him very special because it shows that he knew his art well enough to break it down and teach it to a moron. That is after all, what it takes to be a great teacher, isn't it Rusty? The smart kids will get it, but can we teach so we give them a bone, and allow the slow kids to understand the material?

You push a mych better product when you're not keeping company with Auntie Maxine and Shortbus.