Does anyone on either Klits resume beat Ali?

[BennyST]

Your sarcasm doesn't make any sense here. Lewis beat an amateur Bowe. So that's irrelevant. I decide to give immense credit for him beating Klitschko of course. Tyson was shot obviously. and Holyfield was past it. As past it as Louis was against Marciano

That's just silly. Holyfield was still the unified, lineal champ and had just come off some of the best wins in his career and looking very, very good for his 36 years. Louis was just done. He wasn't champ anymore and was utterly dominated by Charles in his last title fight. Holyfield looked great in those fights considering who he was fighting and went on to regain the HW title again after Lewis. Despite similar ages, there was a very big difference in their fighting spirits left.

[MJ223]

No..... Not at all

[GJC]

Wlad was the size,skill and punching power that Ali never saw during his time. I think Wlad would win a close one against Ali. And Vitali would give Ali fits to. Ali would have to run around that ring like a chicken to have a chance. If 5'11 Fraizer could knock Ali down a 6'6'' 240 lb Wlad could also.

Yes Wlad is unique

[them_apples]

Wlad was the size,skill and punching power that Ali never saw during his time. I think Wlad would win a close one against Ali. And Vitali would give Ali fits to. Ali would have to run around that ring like a chicken to have a chance. If 5'11 Fraizer could knock Ali down a 6'6'' 240 lb Wlad could also.

Not if you see it coming. Foreman couldn't drop Ali, Shavers couldn't either. Both those men hit much harder than Frazier. Go learn about boxing.

The K bros are 1-1-2 boxers. Nothing tricky at all, Ali isn't going to get dropped by that in a million years. Even briggs who got plastered flush 100's of times didn't go down.

[StarshipTrooper]

Wlad was the size,skill and punching power that Ali never saw during his time. I think Wlad would win a close one against Ali. And Vitali would give Ali fits to. Ali would have to run around that ring like a chicken to have a chance. If 5'11 Fraizer could knock Ali down a 6'6'' 240 lb Wlad could also.

Shouldn't you be off making hats out of tinfoil and watching for the black helicopters?

Poet

[Mike Tyson77]

Wlad was the size,skill and punching power that Ali never saw during his time. I think Wlad would win a close one against Ali. And Vitali would give Ali fits to. Ali would have to run around that ring like a chicken to have a chance. If 5'11 Fraizer could knock Ali down a 6'6'' 240 lb Wlad could also.

[nomadman]

More likely because he has no inside game and he doesn't trust his chin.

Yeah that's probably right. But he still does it doesn't he?

I don't know whether Haye punches harder than Ali or not. What quality heavyweights has Haye ever knocked out?

That's just my guess, based on watching both men throw and land. And considering there's no objective way to measure punching power among different era heavyweights, that's all anyone can do.

[nomadman]

I have no doubt that Wlad could knock out Haye with either the left hook or his right hand. But I don't think he had enough success with the jab to get Haye in a position where he could tee off without fear of an overhand right coming back.

He landed solidly a couple of times. Considering Haye was supposed to have a glass jaw and Wlad was supposed to be one of the biggest punchers around it was a little shocking that Haye didn't even look stunned by any of those shots.

I never thought he would KO Ali, or even outpoint him. I just thought that Wlad could make it a hell of a lot more interesting that the usual "Ali KO2" predictions you see in NSB. Now I think either he gets decisively outpointed, tires himself out trying to hit Ali and stopped late or loses on cuts.

This is all very possible. But I wouldn't totally rule out the possibility of Wlad winning on the cards, considering no one has ever come close to outpointing him before. I think the fight goes to the cards regardless.

[joseph5620]

Wlad always does that. It's become a reflex action now. And about the only thing Haye has on Ali is punching power. Not even sure why someone thought to compare the two in the first place really since aside from their trashtalking they have very little in common either in style or class.

More likely because he has no inside game and he doesn't trust his chin.


I don't know whether Haye punches harder than Ali or not. What quality heavyweights has Haye ever knocked out?

[Jim Jeffries]

If anything changed my opinion of Wlad in that fight it was the fact that he didn't seem to hurt Haye with his shots. Not sure if he was reticent to put full power in the punches, if Haye has a better chin than credited with or was so focused that he naturally went with the shot, but it gave me food for thought.

I have no doubt that Wlad could knock out Haye with either the left hook or his right hand. But I don't think he had enough success with the jab to get Haye in a position where he could tee off without fear of an overhand right coming back.

But whatever, no one in their right mind should expect Wlad to KO Ali anyway.

I never thought he would KO Ali, or even outpoint him. I just thought that Wlad could make it a hell of a lot more interesting that the usual "Ali KO2" predictions you see in NSB. Now I think either he gets decisively outpointed, tires himself out trying to hit Ali and stopped late or loses on cuts.