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Originally posted by IronDanHamza View PostThat's the story of Joe Calzaghe's career.
He would've dominated him and he would've dominated him.
Yeah, he would have dominated Froch. 12-0 probably. Difference is Ward did it.
Ward at 27 and 2 years of fighting Top opposition has argubaly a better resume than Calzaghe at 168.
That speaks volumes.
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Originally posted by IronDanHamza View PostThat's the story of Joe Calzaghe's career.
He would've dominated him and he would've dominated him.
Yeah, he would have dominated Froch. 12-0 probably. Difference is Ward did it.
Ward at 27 and 2 years of fighting Top opposition has argubaly a better resume than Calzaghe at 168.
Yeah but Calzaghe is also from Newbridge Wales and stood and trained all his life in Newbridge Wales. Ward lives and trains in America where the biggest fights are made and the best trainers work. Calzaghe was trained by a man (his loving dad) who never stood in the ring himself. Enzo Calzaghe is without a doubt a great father, but I could probably be a better trainer than him, since I've been boxing as an amateur for two years. I am more boxing-wise than Enzo Calzaghe
Imagine what Calzaghe could have done if based in USA instead of Newbridge Wales. With his enormous amount of talent he could've been a Hall Of Famer.
Anyway, I doubt that Ward could have beaten Joe Calzaghe at his peak.
I'll give you this: Ward has the chance to become the most successful supermiddleweight of all time, even tho he's really ugly to watch.Last edited by Nick Name; 12-22-2011, 04:26 PM.
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Originally posted by Nick Name View PostYeah but Calzaghe is also from Newbridge Wales and stood and trained all his life in Newbridge Wales. Ward lives and trains in America where the biggest fights are made and the best trainers work. Calzaghe was trained by a man (his loving dad) who never stood in the ring himself. Enzo Calzaghe is without a doubt a great father, but I could probably be a better trainer than him, since I've been boxing as an amateur for two years. I am more boxing-wise than Enzo Calzaghe
Imagine what Calzaghe could have done if based in USA instead of Newbridge Wales. With his enormous amount of talent he could've been a Hall Of Famer.
The problem is, he get's nothing for imaginary things.
The majority of reasoning for Calzaghe's 'Greatness' is based off pure imagination.
Originally posted by Nick Name View PostAnyway, I doubt that Ward could have beaten Joe Calzaghe at his peak.
I'll give you this: Ward has the chance to become the most successful supermiddleweight of all time, even tho he's really ugly to watch.
Again, means very little.
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Originally posted by Scott9945 View PostI don't think he is tougher, but he does have more one punch power. Bute's uppercut is a game changer.
For some reason though, I don't think Bute will be able to catch him the way the other guy did. Still a fascinating fight, but will it ever be made? IN today's crappy boxing world, I wonder.
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Considering how shallow and relatively young this division has been in years past it's not that huge of a deal.
However.... if we are to consider all the different guys that could've competed at super middleweight in history i'd have to say that this is an incredibly premature claim. The claim of how great he is is already a notion that is INCREDIBLY premature. It's knee jerk reaction bull****. It's indicative of the state of the sport how quick we are to grasp at any genuine top notch talent we see.
He is an incredibly talented fighter with real skill and various other qualities. He is promising. He has beaten top notch competition. He is one of the best p4p fighters in the world. However let's not get ahead of ourselves.
People already do this with Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquaio. They are great talents dominating in a relatively bleak boxing landscape. Because boxing has been dissapointing in recent years we grasp at and put any talent we see on a pedastool. It clouds objectivity
Someone mentioned roy jones. Roy jones would be an absolute stylistic nightmare for someone like ward. He doesn't engage guys in firefights. He is cagey, fights at his range, and is able to work with a much larger margin of error due to his speed and agility. Guys like hopkins and ward are technical fighters. They look for openings to exploit. The problem is against a guy like Roy Jones those openings never really come, he uses his speed, movement, and physical gifts to control the range and use unconventional means to be incredibly effective. Where textbook guys like ward and hopkins can usually exploit an opening, the opening is a mere illusion against the likes of a prime roy jones. They can't get the timing, distance, and rhythm worked out because someone likes jones effectively operates outside of the parameters of what is considered normal.Last edited by Heckler; 12-22-2011, 09:59 PM.
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Originally posted by jermainerambo View Postjeff lacy was the ibf and ibo champion
joe calzaghe had all the belts and beat Bernard Hopkins
I must also add that a somewhat controversial victory over Bernard Hopkins where one could say aggression, and not necessarily effective aggression, was favoured over clean and effective punching. His performance was far from awe inspiring. Lots of forward movement, show boating, and pitty pat glancing blows.
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Originally posted by Heckler View PostHow about we forget about belts because they simply don't hold the value they use to and given the state of boxing and the depth in the divisions aren't necessarily indicative of 'greatness'.
I must also add that a somewhat controversial victory over Bernard Hopkins where one could say aggression, and not necessarily effective aggression, was favoured over clean and effective punching. His performance was far from awe inspiring. Lots of forward movement, show boating, and pitty pat glancing blows.
after the fight bernard hopkins was talking about how his is the ultimate survivor that all he come to do was survive
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Originally posted by jermainerambo View Postbernard hopkins was not landing sh_t calzaghe had him running around the ring
after the fight bernard hopkins was talking about how his is the ultimate survivor that all he come to do was survive
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