My alltime heavyweight top 25. Whats yours?

[SBleeder]

Heres mine:

1. Lennox Lewis
2. Max Schmelling
3. Joe Louis
4. Bob Fitzsimmons
5. George Foreman
6. John L Sullivan
7. Max Baer
8. Sonny Liston
9. Mike Tyson
10. Vitali Klitschko
11. Muhammad Ali
12. Harry Wills
13. Gene Tunney
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jack Dempsey
16. Riddick Bowe
17. Joe Frazier
18. Larry Holmes
19. Jack Johnson
20. Samuel Langford
21. Gentleman Jim Corbett
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Jim Jeffries
24. Oliver Mccall
25. Earnie Shavers

[SBleeder]

I expect my list to be picked apart and argued over. That's cool, but post you own as well. Nothing is definitive and things are always changing the more we learn. I don't mind taking a little heat for my list. Do you?

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Jack Johnson
4. Larry Holmes
5. Sonny Liston
6. Lennox Lewis
7. George Foreman
8. Mike Tyson
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Rocky Marciano

11. Joe Frazier
12. Harry Wills
13. Jack Dempsey
14. Jim Jeffries
15. Ezzard Charles
17. Sam Langford
18. Wladimir Klitschko
19. Joe Walcott
20. Max Schmeling

21. Ken Norton
22. Riddick Bowe
23. Max Baer
24. Jim Corbett
25. Gene Tunney

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Holmes
4. Foreman
5. Johnson
6. Marciano
7. Dempsey
8. Liston
9. Frazier
10. Lewis
11. Holyfield
12. Tyson
13. Wills
14. Patterson
15. Jeffries
16. Vitali Klitschko
17. Jeanette
18. Baer
19. Walcott
20. McVey (probably should be higher if there were more footage)
21. Schmelling
22. Bivins (My opinion and I'm sticking to it)
23. Charles
24. Langford
25. Bowe

Michael Spinks would be next.

[IronDanHamza]

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Holmes
4. Foreman
5. Johnson
6. Marciano
7. Dempsey
8. Liston
9. Frazier
10. Lewis
11. Holyfield
12. Tyson
13. Wills
14. Patterson
15. Jeffries
16. Vitali Klitschko
17. Jeanette
18. Baer
19. Walcott
20. McVey (probably should be higher if there were more footage)
21. Schmelling
22. Bivins (My opinion and I'm sticking to it)
23. Charles
24. Langford
25. Bowe

Michael Spinks would be next.

How much further down would Harold Johnson be in your list?

He beat 2 of your Top 25.

[SBleeder]

How much further down would Harold Johnson be in your list?

He beat 2 of your Top 25.

Doesn't rank at HW.

Bivins, Langford, Charles... all have more far more substantial heavyweight resumes than Johnson.

[GJC]

Ive posted my list many times. The Heavyweight champ should be the baddest man on the planet. A guy who could knock out anything with two legs regardless of discipline. Ali is not that type a guy, hes good but I just cant have a feather fister as the best Heavyweight ever. This is why I approve of you giving Joe Louis the nod, a man of power.

Heres mine:

1. Lennox Lewis
2. Max Schmelling
3. Joe Louis
4. Bob Fitzsimmons
5. George Foreman
6. John L Sullivan
7. Max Baer
8. Sonny Liston
9. Mike Tyson
10. Vitali Klitschko
11. Muhammad Ali
12. Harry Wills
13. Gene Tunney
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jack Dempsey
16. Riddick Bowe
17. Joe Frazier
18. Larry Holmes
19. Jack Johnson
20. Samuel Langford
21. Gentleman Jim Corbett
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Jim Jeffries
24. Oliver Mccall
25. Earnie Shavers

Interesting list!

[GJC]

How much further down would Harold Johnson be in your list?

He beat 2 of your Top 25.

He never stops! little bit under Archie I'd imagine Dan, as always

[IronDanHamza]

He never stops! little bit under Archie I'd imagine Dan, as always

Hey man, he can't be that much lower at that point.

How much lower would you put him than Jimmy Bivins? Can't be that much lower.

[Rspen46]

So Tunney beats Dempsey twice & you have him ranked 25th & below Baer & some others, and you believe a 5-6 Sam Langford beats all the guys you have ranked under him, and J. Johnson so high, yet J. Jeffries so low, Jeffries went that whole fight with Johnson after years of not fighting, weighing well over 300 lbs. & have to lose nearly a 100 or more in a short time just to fight him, I say Jeffries beats him in shape & in prime, what's on Johnson's resume that gets him ranked so high, he did his best to avoid every great fighter he could, including Langford, he fought Jeannette & Mcvey when they were young & starting to get good. I think tunney if he had not retired, may have beaten Schmeling & baer at an older age even, definitely in his prime he would have, and K. Norton, seriously, I could find 10 guys or more I would pick over Norton, he may not beat D. Tua, or T. Morrison & I think Cooney does what he did against even a Prime Norton,

[LacedUp]

I expect my list to be picked apart and argued over. That's cool, but post you own as well. Nothing is definitive and things are always changing the more we learn. I don't mind taking a little heat for my list. Do you?

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Jack Johnson
4. Larry Holmes
5. Sonny Liston
6. Lennox Lewis
7. George Foreman
8. Mike Tyson
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Rocky Marciano

11. Joe Frazier
12. Harry Wills
13. Jack Dempsey
14. Jim Jeffries
15. Ezzard Charles
17. Sam Langford
18. Wladimir Klitschko
19. Joe Walcott
20. Max Schmeling

21. Ken Norton
22. Riddick Bowe
23. Max Baer
24. Jim Corbett
25. Gene Tunney

Earlier today I did a top 25 higher than Vitali K in ranking it goes something like this:

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Johnson
4. Lewis (tied with Foreman)
5. Foreman (tied with Lewis)
6. Holmes
7. Holyfield
8. Dempsey
9. Liston
10. Marciano (tied with Walcott)
11. JJ Walcott (tied with Marciano)
12. Frazier
13. Tyson
14. Charles
15. J. Jeffries
16. Tunney
17. W Klitschko
18. Patterson
19. Langford (Should prob be higher but just couldn't justify it)
20. Wills
21. Jeanette
22. Baer
23. Schemling
24. Braddock
25. Norton/ J Corbett

Anyone from the top 15 to 23 could probably be switched around. Would like to put Wills Jeffries, Jeanette and Langford a little higher but damn it's hard to justify.

[GeneralZod]

I'm going to try to not think too hard, because otherwise this list would never be made.

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. George Foreman
4. Larry Holmes
5. Mike Tyson
6. Joe Frazier
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Rocky Marciano
9. Sonny Liston
10. Jack Dempsey

11. Evander Holyfield
12. Jack Johnson
13. Jersey Joe Walcott
14. Ezzard Charles
15. Max Baer
16. Kenny Norton
17. Max Schmeling
18. James J. Braddock
19. Riddick Bowe
20. James J. Jeffries


21. Floyd Patterson
22. Gene Tunney
23. Archie Moore
24. Michael Spinks
25. Ron Lyle

I don't count fighters that have little to no footage of them fighting. I also haven't seen much of Langford or Wills so i won't include them without a little more knowledge.