Heavyweight Rankings

Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Capaedia
    JMM Stan
    Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
    • Jul 2011
    • 2847
    • 185
    • 396
    • 9,501

    #11
    Ring has Holyfield at #3?

    Sweet Jesus

    Comment

    • IronDanHamza
      BoxingScene Icon
      Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
      • Oct 2009
      • 48371
      • 4,778
      • 266
      • 104,043

      #12
      Originally posted by Capaedia
      Ring has Holyfield at #3?

      Sweet Jesus
      I think that list was done in the mid to late 90's. Not long after he upset Tyson and was considered just a notch below the Almighty God himself by the general public.

      Comment

      • Sugarj
        Undisputed Champion
        Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
        • Mar 2008
        • 3784
        • 187
        • 0
        • 20,883

        #13
        The problem with lists like these is do you base them on legend/record?

        Or do you base them on likely superiority in head to head matches?

        Its the reason why I don't do them!

        Based on his form between 1991 and 1995 Rid**** Bowe deserves to be in any head to head list for example. The guy who turned up for all three Holyfield fights would beat many an ATG.

        That Ring list was from the late 90s though, just after Holyfield beat Tyson......or Lennox Lewis would have been included. Ranking Holyfield ahead of Holmes and Foreman was a bit too much. Especially when you see the troubles that Evander had when he met old Foreman and old Holmes (both put up excellent efforts into their 40s and certainly won several rounds each, in their primes Holyfield would probably have lost to these two).

        Comment

        • Capaedia
          JMM Stan
          Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
          • Jul 2011
          • 2847
          • 185
          • 396
          • 9,501

          #14
          Originally posted by IronDanHamza
          I think that list was done in the mid to late 90's. Not long after he upset Tyson and was considered just a notch below the Almighty God himself by the general public.
          If that's the case he may deserve the spot, since he's punched Tyson all the way to 14th place in a list from the '90s

          Comment

          • IronDanHamza
            BoxingScene Icon
            Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
            • Oct 2009
            • 48371
            • 4,778
            • 266
            • 104,043

            #15
            Originally posted by Sugarj
            The problem with lists like these is do you base them on legend/record?

            Or do you base them on likely superiority in head to head matches?

            Its the reason why I don't do them!

            Based on his form between 1991 and 1995 Rid**** Bowe deserves to be in any head to head list for example. The guy who turned up for all three Holyfield fights would beat many an ATG.

            That Ring list was from the late 90s though, just after Holyfield beat Tyson......or Lennox Lewis would have been included. Ranking Holyfield ahead of Holmes and Foreman was a bit too much. Especially when you see the troubles that Evander had when he met old Foreman and old Holmes (both put up excellent efforts into their 40s and certainly won several rounds each, in their primes Holyfield would probably have lost to these two).
            I personally base the majorty of my reasoning on their resume and achievements.

            But, I do consider H2H ability also, but it means little to their ranking in my personal opinion.

            For example I have Bob Foster #8 on my LHW List despite the fact I feel he could beat most of the fighters ahead of him.

            Comment

            • DarkTerror88
              Undisputed Champion
              Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
              • Jul 2010
              • 1053
              • 79
              • 94
              • 7,600

              #16
              Originally posted by Sugarj
              No Mike Tyson?
              I haven't made any changes to my list since 2 months ago. I was anti Tyson due to nuthuggers in my gym. Although my 10 will remain unchanged despite a different order, Tyson is between 10 and 15 realistically

              Comment

              • Sugarj
                Undisputed Champion
                Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                • Mar 2008
                • 3784
                • 187
                • 0
                • 20,883

                #17
                Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                I personally base the majorty of my reasoning on their resume and achievements.

                But, I do consider H2H ability also, but it means little to their ranking in my personal opinion.

                For example I have Bob Foster #8 on my LHW List despite the fact I feel he could beat most of the fighters ahead of him.

                Cool, I see your angle.

                Comment

                • Sugarj
                  Undisputed Champion
                  Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 3784
                  • 187
                  • 0
                  • 20,883

                  #18
                  Originally posted by DarkTerror88
                  I haven't made any changes to my list since 2 months ago. I was anti Tyson due to nuthuggers in my gym. Although my 10 will remain unchanged despite a different order, Tyson is between 10 and 15 realistically

                  Be your own man matey. Don't let nuthuggers influence you whichever way.......

                  Comment

                  • jabsRstiff
                    ! ! ! !
                    Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 8964
                    • 498
                    • 136
                    • 16,167

                    #19
                    Though I love Holyfield and think he's an unquestionable all-time great....ranking him at heavyweight is a ****in' baffling thing for me. He was just so inconsistent. He had a lot of great wins and a respectable reign as champ, but he lost and/or struggled quite a bit as well.

                    He was amazing at Crusierweight and what he was able to do as a heavyweight was amazing considering he really wasn't a heavyweight. But, that doesn't mean he should rank amongst the best ever at that weight. The Ring definitely went a little nuts back then with that # 3 rating!

                    Comment

                    • Scott9945
                      Gonna be more su****ious
                      Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 22032
                      • 741
                      • 1,371
                      • 30,075

                      #20
                      Originally posted by jabsRstiff
                      Though I love Holyfield and think he's an unquestionable all-time great....ranking him at heavyweight is a ****in' baffling thing for me. He was just so inconsistent. He had a lot of great wins and a respectable reign as champ, but he lost and/or struggled quite a bit as well.

                      He was amazing at Crusierweight and what he was able to do as a heavyweight was amazing considering he really wasn't a heavyweight. But, that doesn't mean he should rank amongst the best ever at that weight. The Ring definitely went a little nuts back then with that # 3 rating!

                      Fighters on their way up are often understandably overrated, but I've never seen a veteran fighter suddenly become so ridiculously overrated like Holyfield did after beating Tyson.

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      TOP