History Section: Your Take On The Whole Pacquiao/Mayweather Saga?

[RubenSonny]

I'm generally against catchweights, but his opponents agreed to the contracts. There was no catchweight for DLH. There was one for Margarito though. Comparing catchweights to drug testing is apples and oranges anyways.

Actually I was referring to the weight penalties, and its not apples and oranges, you were criticizing Mayweather for making unprecedented demands beyond commission rules and Pacquiao has been guilty of the exact same thing for years now. Pacquiao could easily agree to the contract, and it wouldn't be any different from those examples Not to mention DLH was by far the bigger draw at the time of their fight and agreed to Pacquiaos unprecedented (save from his own fights) demands.

[IMDAZED]

I'm generally against catchweights, but his opponents agreed to the contracts. There was no catchweight for DLH. There was one for Margarito though. Comparing catchweights to drug testing is apples and oranges anyways.

Catchweights maybe but for Morales, Margarito, De La Hoya, Mayweather (and who knows who else), Pacquiao has implemented his own weight penalty fees which are also under the juridisction of the residing commission. Can't have it both ways.

[Scott9945]

Actually I was referring to the weight penalties, and its not apples and oranges, you were criticizing Mayweather for making unprecedented demands beyond commission rules and Pacquiao has been guilty of the exact same thing for years now. Pacquiao could easily agree to the contract, and it wouldn't be any different from those examples Not to mention DLH was by far the bigger draw at the time of their fight and agreed to Pacquiaos unprecedented (save from his own fights) demands.

Catchweights are hardly unprecedented. Ray Leonard somehow won a lightheavyweight title at 167 lbs about 25 years ago. I'm sure some research would reveal many cases before that.

And what demands did De La Hoya have to agree to, other than the 147 lb weight limit? It was Oscar's plan to drop down to welter way before he signed to fight Pacquiao. If he did have penalty clauses, it was likely to protect Pacquiao from being physically overmatched against a fighter who was at least two weight classes heavier. Oscar could make at least 10 million for fighting anyone. He was the one who dictated terms.

You can chide Pacquiao for the weight clauses. I personally thought the one against Cotto was chickenspit. And if you look at next weeks fight, it is Pacquiao who is submitting to a 144 lb catchweight. But catchweights and drug testing are two entirely different issues, even if it is more convenient to just dismiss them as equal.

[Scott9945]

Catchweights maybe but for Morales, Margarito, De La Hoya, Mayweather (and who knows who else), Pacquiao has implemented his own weight penalty fees which are also under the juridisction of the residing commission. Can't have it both ways.

Actually I agree. Drop the excessive weight penalties and the enhanced drug testing, and lets just see who is the better fighter at welterweight.

[Scott9945]

either your nuts an idiot or a ******. That little turd has a history of coming up with funny business before signing a contract. he did that to one of my personal favorites erik morales. i never forgave the punk for that. That aint just message board stuff. i think both are acting like divas but at least mayweather never wavered and stayed consistent. little pacmans terms are all over the place.

Mucho gusto.

Now please explain how Pacquiao's terms are "all over the place". Do the weight limits and/or penalties fluctuate erratically?

[IronDanHamza]

Actually I agree. Drop the excessive weight penalties and the enhanced drug testing, and lets just see who is the better fighter at welterweight.

Or better yet, accept the excessive weight penalties and enhanced drug testing and let's see who the better fighter is at Welterweight.

[IronDanHamza]

But catchweights and drug testing are two entirely different issues, even if it is more convenient to just dismiss them as equal.

Catchweight are.

But your own designed weight penalties? They are the same.

Both are outside of the comission.

Both are being personally asked for by their camps.

And most importantly, both are simple ask's. And should be accepted.

However, one was accepted, the other wasn't.

And these are stone cold facts. And why this is dismissed is beyond me because it's the sole reason the fight fell through in late 09.

[RubenSonny]

Catchweights are hardly unprecedented. Ray Leonard somehow won a lightheavyweight title at 167 lbs about 25 years ago. I'm sure some research would reveal many cases before that.

Are you even reading my posts, I said weight penalties not catchweights, I never said anything about catchweights. He set the precedent for his weight penalties in the first Morales rematch.

And what demands did De La Hoya have to agree to, other than the 147 lb weight limit? It was Oscar's plan to drop down to welter way before he signed to fight Pacquiao. If he did have penalty clauses, it was likely to protect Pacquiao from being physically overmatched against a fighter who was at least two weight classes heavier. Oscar could make at least 10 million for fighting anyone. He was the one who dictated terms.

Already supplied in a link showing that Pacquiao demanded the weight penalties against DLH but you keep ignoring my points.

You can chide Pacquiao for the weight clauses. I personally thought the one against Cotto was chickenspit. And if you look at next weeks fight, it is Pacquiao who is submitting to a 144 lb catchweight. But catchweights and drug testing are two entirely different issues, even if it is more convenient to just dismiss them as equal.

Again I didn't say anything about catchweights.

[IMDAZED]

Actually I agree. Drop the excessive weight penalties and the enhanced drug testing, and lets just see who is the better fighter at welterweight.

It appears you only agree because there is little defense for the nonsensical behavior of the Pacquiao camp. Regardless, it's irrelevant. One fighter agreed with an "excessive" demand while the other disagreed for reasons that changed from day to day. That's the bottom line. It isn't hard to see who you pin the blame on but I guess some people just can't bring themselves to the truth.

[IMDAZED]

Catchweights are hardly unprecedented. Ray Leonard somehow won a lightheavyweight title at 167 lbs about 25 years ago. I'm sure some research would reveal many cases before that.

And what demands did De La Hoya have to agree to, other than the 147 lb weight limit? It was Oscar's plan to drop down to welter way before he signed to fight Pacquiao. If he did have penalty clauses, it was likely to protect Pacquiao from being physically overmatched against a fighter who was at least two weight classes heavier. Oscar could make at least 10 million for fighting anyone. He was the one who dictated terms.

You can chide Pacquiao for the weight clauses. I personally thought the one against Cotto was chickenspit. And if you look at next weeks fight, it is Pacquiao who is submitting to a 144 lb catchweight. But catchweights and drug testing are two entirely different issues, even if it is more convenient to just dismiss them as equal.

You go from saying weight penalty fines are excessive to providing excu...reasons why Pacquiao's are plausible. Tell us why it was ok for Pacquiao to institute a weight penalty on Erik Morales? Since apparently it's ok to make up reasons for why he did it against Oscar? To protect himself, according to your post. Floyd Mayweather would like a word with you, bud.