Who Is The Greatest Boxer Of Alltime

[butterfly1964]

your reasons are nonsense and biased. therefore they are invalid and not even worth reading anymore. watch some ****ing film on other boxers besides ali and try other weight classes too and then you will have more to talk about and you wont look like such a moron and nuthugger everytime you post.

yeah, sure they're biased. someone saying that marciano could beat ali or foreman because he is white and he was "undefeated" IMO is biased, more biased than the posts i make. as i say before, louis was great, marciano was great, dempsey, johnson, and others around those time periods were great. but the way boxing and other sports evolve over time, do you think that on average the fghters from 60 years ago could beat the fighters say, 20 years ago? nope, so if i say that ali could beat louis and i say it's beacause ali was fast and could avoid louis' punches and all that, then i don't see why that's such a bad thing to say?

[blockhead]

yeah, sure they're biased. someone saying that marciano could beat ali or foreman because he is white and he was "undefeated" IMO is biased, more biased than the posts i make. as i say before, louis was great, marciano was great, dempsey, johnson, and others around those time periods were great. but the way boxing and other sports evolve over time, do you think that on average the fghters from 60 years ago could beat the fighters say, 20 years ago? nope, so if i say that ali could beat louis and i say it's beacause ali was fast and could avoid louis' punches and all that, then i don't see why that's such a bad thing to say?

anyone who says that marciano would beat foreman or ali, is just as biased as you are against the great fighters of the lower weight classes. and your pumping of floyd pattersons **** in other thread s while you are lowering louis is absurd. wake up expand your horizons.

[Yogi]

louis is too small, too slow, and too physically weak

You know, Butterfly...sometimes I wonder if you've seen even one Joe Louis fight, because some of the stuff you say about him is utter nonsense. Either that, or you feel so threatened by those who think he was greater than Ali that you feel the need to downplay the talents that Louis obviously showed during his career.

At 6'2-200/205, he was not too small for Ali. If you're going to signal out only two fights from 1967 as Ali's "prime", then do the same friggin for Louis when he weighed about 207 vs. Simon & Baer, in fights where some people thought were Joe's best performances (Nat Fleischer, for one)...Fair is fair, right?

Louis also had some of the fastest & most destructive hands ever seen on a Heavyweight, and even though his foot speed doesn't look that fast (which was entirely his choice), he did have some pretty quick feet when the need arised (the fight with Max Baer shows this, as Louis showed quickness of foot in evading Baer's attacks on a couple of occasions).

And if you're going to criticize Louis' strength, you might want to watch his fight with Primo Carnera, who as a former strongman, can certainly count pure strength as one of his main attributes...Louis actually outmuscled Carnera in the trenches for much of that fight, and succeeded in pushing his much larger opponent back on a few occasions.

[blockhead]

You know, Butterfly...sometimes I wonder if you've seen even one Joe Louis fight, because some of the stuff you say about him is utter nonsense. Either that, or you feel so threatened by those who think he was greater than Ali that you feel the need to downplay the talents that Louis obviously showed during his career.

At 6'2-200/205, he was not too small for Ali. If you're going to signal out only two fights from 1967 as Ali's "prime", then do the same friggin for Louis when he weighed about 207 vs. Simon & Baer, in fights where some people thought were Joe's best performances (Nat Fleischer, for one)...Fair is fair, right?

Louis also had some of the fastest & most destructive hands ever seen on a Heavyweight, and even though his foot speed doesn't look that fast (which was entirely his choice), he did have some pretty quick feet when the need arised (the fight with Max Baer shows this, as Louis showed quickness of foot in evading Baer's attacks on a couple of occasions).

And if you're going to criticize Louis' strength, you might want to watch his fight with Primo Carnera, who as a former strongman, can certainly count pure strength as one of his main attributes...Louis actually outmuscled Carnera in the trenches for much of that fight, and succeeded in pushing his much larger opponent back on a few occasions.

he hasnt seen louis fight, its obvious by his posts. thanks yogi

[butterfly1964]

he hasnt seen louis fight, its obvious by his posts. thanks yogi

lol, i havent seen louis fight?

i'll do this in chronological order.

jack johnson vs. tommy burns 1908
jack johnson vs. stanley ketchel 1909
jack johnson vs. james jeffries 1910
jack johnson vs. jess willard 1915
jack dempsey vs. jess willard 1919
jack dempsey vs. georges carpentier 1921
jack dempsey vs. tommy gibbons 1923
jack dempsey vs. luis angel firpo 1923
jack dempsey vs. gene tunney I 1926
gene tunney vs. jack dempsey II 1927
primo carnera vs. max baer 1934
joe louis vs. charley retzlaff 1936
joe louis vs. max schmeling I 1936
joe louis vs. max schmeling II 1938
max baer vs. pat comiskey 1940
joe louis vs. billy conn I 1941
joe louis vs. abe simon II 1942
joe louis vs. jersey joe walcott II 1948
joe louis vs. ezzard charles 1950
joe louis vs. rocky marciano 1951
rocky marciano vs. jersey joe walcott I 1952
rocky marciano vs. jersey joe walcott II 1953
rocky marciano vs. roland lastarza II 1953
rocky marciano vs. archie moore 1955
floyd patterson vs. tommy jackson II 1957
floyd patterson vs. ingemmar johannson I 1959
floyd patterson vs. ingemmar johannson II 1960
floyd patterson vs. ingemmar johannson III 1961
cassius clay vs. alonzo johnson 1961
cassius clay vs. billy daniels 1962
floyd patterson vs. sonny liston I 1962
cassius clay vs. archie moore 1962
cassius clay vs. doug jones 1963
cassius clay vs. henry cooper I 1963
sonny liston vs. floyd patterson II 1963
sonny liston vs. cassius clay I 1964
floyd patterson vs. george chuvalo 1965
muhammad ali vs. sonny liston II 1965
muhammad ali vs. floyd patterson I 1965
muhammad ali vs. george chuvalo I 1966
muhammad ali vs. henry cooper II 1966
muhammad ali vs. karl mildenburger 1966
joe frazier vs. oscar bonavena I 1966
joe frazier vs. eddie machen 1966
muhammad ali vs. ernie terrel 1967
muhammad ali vs. zora folley 1967
joe frazier vs. buster mathis 1968
sonny liston vs. leotis martin 1969
joe frazier vs. jimmy ellis 1970
muhammad ali vs. jerry quarry I 1970
joe frazier vs. bob foster 1970
muhammad ali vs. oscar bonavena 1970
muhammad ali vs. joe frazier I 1971 (the greatest fight of all time)
muhammad ali vs. jurgen blin 1971
joe frazier vs. ron stander 1972
joe frazier vs. george foreman I 1973
muhammad ali vs. joe frazier II 1974
joe frazier vs. jerry quarry II 1974
george foreman vs. muhammad ali 1974
muhammad ali vs. chuck wepner 1975
muhammad ali vs. ron lyle 1975
muhammad ali vs. joe frazier III 1975
muhammad ali vs. leon spinks II 1978
larry holmes vs. muhammad ali 1980 (the saddest fight of all time )
mike tyson vs. rick spain 1985
mike tyson vs. john alderson 1985
mike tyson vs. michael jack johnson 1985
mike tyson vs. donnie long 1985
mike tyson vs. robert colay 1985
mike tyson vs. eddie richardson 1985
mike tyson vs. sammy scaff 1985
mike tyson vs. mark young 1985
mike tyson vs. mike jameson 1986
mike tyson vs. steve zouski 1986
mike tyson vs. reggie gross 1986
mike tyson vs. lorenzo boyd 1986
mike tyson vs. larry holmes 1988
mike tyson vs. michael spinks 1988
mike tyson vs. frank bruno I 1989
mike tyson vs. james "buster" douglass 1990

that's about it for the hw's!

this is from the thread which asks which fights people have.

[butterfly1964]

anyone who says that marciano would beat foreman or ali, is just as biased as you are against the great fighters of the lower weight classes. and your pumping of floyd pattersons **** in other thread s while you are lowering louis is absurd. wake up expand your horizons.

lol, did i say patterson would beat louis? i think louis would ko patterson in about 3 or four rounds, so enough said on that.

[Yogi]

do you think that on average the fghters from 60 years ago could beat the fighters say, 20 years ago?

Most ****ing definately!

Are you kidding me?

Sugar Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Ezzard Charles, Marcel Cerdan, Ike Williams, Manuel Ortiz, Archie Moore, Jake Lamotta, Charley Burley, Beau Jack, Bob Montgomery, Sandy Saddler, Tony Zale etc., etc...

With just that group right there, I'll go to war with ANY era in boxing history, and "on average" I will certainly like my chances of coming out on top.

[blockhead]

lol, did i say patterson would beat louis? i think louis would ko patterson in about 3 or four rounds, so enough said on that.

then you have contradicted yourself again. i cannot stand to read another one of your ****ing reatard posts. you are now on my ignore list. seeing your post is nothing more than an irritation and i feel like i have to reply to your ******ity so now i am going to make it so i cant see them at all.

[butterfly1964]

then you have contradicted yourself again.

how? i have never said that patterson could beat louis. never! find a post that states that. no way in hell i would say something like that either.

[The Noose]

how is louis underrated if many people say he's the best hw ever?

Read my post again without editing it.

Ive heard many times people saying Louis was slow.

His speed was underrated.