Harry Greb No1 LHW?

[DarkTerror88]

Ezzard Charles cannot be denied his throne at LHW.

[JAB5239]

An argument can be made but I wouldn't place him at the 1 spot. Pound for pound is a different story though.

[McGoorty]

Ezzard Charles cannot be denied his throne at LHW.

That's what I call ADAMANT.

[JAB5239]

That's what I call ADAMANT.

I gotta roll with DT88 on that one. For years I had Foster at number one, but I based it on h2h. As far as resume goes I think it's tough to argue against Charles. Like I said, arguments can be made, but a more convincing one than for Ez I have yet to see. It could happen and would be interesting, but for now Im also sticking with the Cincinnati Cobra.

[0r1g1nal S1n]

Hard to compare the old guys like Greb and Charles with the new lhw's like Roy Jones and B-Hop. Different era's totally. Greb and Archie Moore are probably the greatest in terms of achievement though.

[JAB5239]

Hard to compare the old guys like Greb and Charles with the new lhw's like Roy Jones and B-Hop. Different era's totally. Greb and Archie Moore are probably the greatest in terms of achievement though.

But not skill and dominance?

I gotta disagree my man. Competition determines how one fighter compares to another. Head to head Im not saying they are or are not better. But it's undeniable they fought better fighters and many more times. We can't say with certainty how Roy or Hop would fare fighting that often against that high a skill level of fighters, but we know for a fact how Greb and more did.

[GJC]

Archie Moore
Ezzard Charles
Sam Langford
Gene Tunney
Bob Foster
Tommy Loughran
Michael Spinks
Bob Fitzsimmons
Billy Conn
Roy Jones, Jr.
Maxie Rosenbloom
John Henry Lewis
Harry Greb
Tommy Gibbons
Philadelphia Jack O’Brien
Jack Dillon
Harold Johnson
Jimmy Bivins
Georges Carpentier
Battling Levinsky

That's IBRO's all time list at LHW.
Like Archie being at number one but could argue a fair bit of the rest but you have to give IBRO a hearing and some respect IMO.
Personally I can't put Greb at 1 but I think a good case can be made for top 5. He beat 6 of their top 20 and as big a fan as I am of Loughran I can't see him 6 places above Greb on either resume or certainly H2H

[McGoorty]

I gotta roll with DT88 on that one. For years I had Foster at number one, but I based it on h2h. As far as resume goes I think it's tough to argue against Charles. Like I said, arguments can be made, but a more convincing one than for Ez I have yet to see. It could happen and would be interesting, but for now Im also sticking with the Cincinnati Cobra.

I have no problem with that,.. be we are surely agreed that these questions are rarely cut and dried, boxing does not have any "Bradmans"... or "Lindrums" in it... i.e.... someone who is absolutely twice as good as #2.... they were that good..... I rate them as the most invincible of the invincible in all sport. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But unlike Lindrum in billiards, nobody was throwing punches (read, equalizers),.... although Bradman was having the odd cricket ball coming at his skull at 100 miles per hour,,... and no protection.... actually a cricket ball can kill as easily as a punch,... but I am diverging a bit, but the point being is that Bradman has hard and fast statistics to back up his godlike status, boxing is different to most sports,... the level of ambiguity in boxing is like no other, it's fun to discuss this but.... I think Charles may have struggled against Tunney for instance.

[McGoorty]

Archie Moore
Ezzard Charles
Sam Langford
Gene Tunney
Bob Foster
Tommy Loughran
Michael Spinks
Bob Fitzsimmons
Billy Conn
Roy Jones, Jr.
Maxie Rosenbloom
John Henry Lewis
Harry Greb
Tommy Gibbons
Philadelphia Jack O’Brien
Jack Dillon
Harold Johnson
Jimmy Bivins
Georges Carpentier
Battling Levinsky

That's IBRO's all time list at LHW.
Like Archie being at number one but could argue a fair bit of the rest but you have to give IBRO a hearing and some respect IMO.
Personally I can't put Greb at 1 but I think a good case can be made for top 5. He beat 6 of their top 20 and as big a fan as I am of Loughran I can't see him 6 places above Greb on either resume or certainly H2H

I know of a MW who'd beat some of those names there,.. gee I have a lot more work to do.

[McGoorty]

I know of a MW who'd beat some of those names there,.. gee I have a lot more work to do.

Actually on his best night he may be capable of beating any of them, I hate death.